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Re: Samsung Acquires Joyent

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Post by fatihdonmez »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #90
fatihdonmez wrote: post #64

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Then you should see the japanese way of working, it's also quite fun! I believe this is common in most of asia. I have worked in China and it's not quite different at all from what you're saying.

Working in China is way different from Japan/Korea, at least for the companies I've been exposed to. There is much more freedom in how you get things done, there is less hierarchy, there is more value placed on programmers (which is why Koreans, Japanese, Taiwanese seem to come here to work in spite of the pollution).

China is definitely way better than Japan. Maybe imitation of all western products year over year could help them to have more western way of working style and etc but still culture is workaholic, robot like obeying, not criticising at all.

Re: Samsung Acquires Joyent

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Post by Annatar »

cyphar wrote: post #116
Annatar wrote: post #114

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There are people out there like myself who are convinced that GPL is the most vile, fascist license out there. On the other hand, I have nothing against CDDL. I think the incompatibility of CDDL with the GPL is what saved the illumos community (even if inadvertently) from having their technology cannibalized by GNU and Linux. I'm happy that BSD is benefitting from illumos (and vice versa), but I'm even more happy tha…

> There are people out there like myself who are convinced that GPL is the most vile, fascist license out there. Not proprietary software? Not "open source" licenses that don't allow modification (which is also proprietary)? The GPL? The thing that gave us free software in the modern world? Well, that's certainly one opinon. > On the other hand, I have nothing against CDDL. The CDDL has a provision that if any part i…

> The CDDL has a provision that if any part is held unenforcible it will be modified to make it enforceable. As a matter of licensing, that's incredibly devious and bad. There's other super dodgy parts of the CDDL that make it a bad license purely from a license point of view, let alone from "freedoms given to users" perspective.

Wait until you discover the BSD license, which lets you do whatever you want with the code... you might get a stroke (:-D)

GPL gave me no freedoms, it gave me the GNU userland tools and GNU/Linux (illumos / SmartOS and AT&T SVR4 tools are just fine, thank you, do not want GNU!)

http://www.blinkydog.com/wp-content/uploads/Dogs-Do-Not-Want...

GNU / GPL: DO NOT WANT!

> Your position is also wrong.

Luckily I don't have to license anything under the GPL, GPL cannot take that away from me as long as I don't link with the kernel code licensed under it, or derive code / work from it.

And I'll be extra careful I don't ever land myself in a position where I would have to license something under the GPL. Any other FOSS license is better than the GPL, I have no problem with open sourcing, and cannot wait to clean up my code in order to set it free.

But not under the GPL license.

Finally, CDDL is both FSF and OSI approved: the open source initiative looked over the CDDL license and deemed it to be in compliance with open source. I will take what is in my view their expert finding over your position, but thank you for sharing your opinion.

Re: Samsung Acquires Joyent

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Post by Annatar »

Avshalom wrote: post #123
Annatar wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are people out there like myself who are convinced that GPL is the most vile, fascist license out there. On the other hand, I have nothing against CDDL. I think the incompatibility of CDDL with the GPL is what saved the illumos community (even if inadvertently) from having their technology cannibalized by GNU and Linux. I'm happy that BSD is benefitting from illumos (and vice versa), but I'm even more happy tha…

You know fascism is a political/economic system that advocates a nationalistic war focused culture and foreign policy, a military aristocracy and sort of mid-level command economy right? Which is to say literally nothing like any possible outcome of the GPL.

Actually the way you described it it sounds exactly like the GPL license reads. It even promises to preserve my freedom instead of taking it away.

Re: Samsung Acquires Joyent

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Post by gribbly »

dekz wrote: post #109
cpprototypes wrote: post #4

Samsung is a typical asian electronics company (has a hardware focused history and very good at it, but doesn't understand or respect software). I'm so glad that node.js is not under Joyent control.

How do you come to the conclusion that the entirety of Samsung don't understand or respect software, when they clearly show great contributions to OSS? [0]. [0]: http://linuxcontrib-inn.rhcloud.com/

Well, in the case of Linux they are legally bound to provide the source code to any modifications they ship in binary form to a third party due to the GPL, I don't know what their track record is when they don't have to release the source code.

Re: Samsung Acquires Joyent

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Post by martin-adams »

Bahamut wrote: post #84
jeswin wrote: post #67

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> They have some amazing engineers (especially at HQ in Korea), but the main obstacles are partly Korean culture in general (especially as it pertains to engineers) and partly the management practices of the company. Can you explain the cultural aspects (and management shortcomings) in more detail for those of us who haven't experienced Korea? Thanks.

I only have secondhand knowledge (my brother worked at Samsung HQ for almost two years after grad school & a post-doc), but Samsung managers are often corrupt and treat their employees like trash. Foreigners have it a little better, they're allowed to go home at relatively more normal hours, but if you're from Korea and Korean, you do whatever the boss tells you or they retaliate hard since there are plenty of starry…

This makes me think twice about the Samsung brand I have sitting in my pocket.

Re: Samsung Acquires Joyent

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Post by gribbly »

benley wrote: post #75
bogomipz wrote: post #72

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Why is your link relevant? Joyent = Illumos, which is a fork of open-Solaris, not Linux at all.

The point being that Samsung give a shit about contributing to open-source projects at all.

They are legally bound to contribute their modifications back to Linux (if they distribute them), it may be a different matter when they don't have to.

I can't say I know either way, however I do recall their Tizen SDK licensing not being accepted as open source due to it only granting the right to use certain components on 'Tizen Certified Platforms'.

Re: Samsung Acquires Joyent

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Post by minsight »

knurdle wrote: post #74

Hey, maybe Joyent can finally afford to refund the people who supported it when it was textdrive and then went back on their word! Snarky I know but I'm still bitter about how it was all handled..

I will never, ever consider using Joyent in any capacity for this very reason.

Re: Samsung Acquires Joyent

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Post by bane »

martin-adams wrote: post #135
Bahamut wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I only have secondhand knowledge (my brother worked at Samsung HQ for almost two years after grad school & a post-doc), but Samsung managers are often corrupt and treat their employees like trash. Foreigners have it a little better, they're allowed to go home at relatively more normal hours, but if you're from Korea and Korean, you do whatever the boss tells you or they retaliate hard since there are plenty of starry…

This makes me think twice about the Samsung brand I have sitting in my pocket.

That's not a corporate thing, it's the culture of the entire country. Try not to condemn an entire culture just because you disagree with how they do things. From the perspective of Koreans, Westerners do lots of really unpleasant things as well.

There's also lots of very positive things about Korean culture, just like there are about Western cultures.

Re: Samsung Acquires Joyent

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Post by minsight »

minsight wrote: post #137
knurdle wrote: post #74

Hey, maybe Joyent can finally afford to refund the people who supported it when it was textdrive and then went back on their word! Snarky I know but I'm still bitter about how it was all handled..

I will never, ever consider using Joyent in any capacity for this very reason.

Although perhaps Samsung's acquisition might continue with the trend, improving Joyent's bottom line by ignoring all previous financial obligations that may have existed before the purchase...
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