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Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by yuhong »

tobias3 wrote: post #114
cm2187 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I forgot it and completely agree, they want a cut of anything installed on the machine. And following this logic I wouldn't be surprised if they would make it increasingly difficult to install any non store app. Requiring them to be signed first, then signed by them against a fee, then simply not allowed like iOS does. Which is why not having the option to turn down upgrade after having been upgraded to windows 10 is…

They are already doing it with drivers. Windows 10 will only load Microsoft signed drivers and Windows Server 2016 will only load WHQL signed drivers for which you have to pay a fee.

But the CA makes most of the money not Microsoft though.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by vetinari »

asimuvPR wrote: post #40

I tune cars as as as a hobby. My current setup is based around windows xp due to driver supports (technically an embedded application). My plan was to upgrade to a windows 8 machine and emulate an xp install. But I'm not going to anymore. I tune while driving and it could be catastrophic to have the machine install updates. I'll continue with the air gapped xp machine. Too bad because I was looking forward to not usi…

For exactly the same reason I had an XP virtual machine, that I was running at whatever computer I was currently using. Worked like a charm on all host OSes, including Ubuntu for example.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by ams6110 »

userbinator wrote: post #21

The amount of churn in the computer industry is staggering and the upgrade treadmill is a huge waste of resources to many, but I suppose it's the only way for them to continue making a profit. Personally, I think Windows as an OS reached its pinnacle sometime around the XP timeframe; since then it has mostly been frustrating UI changes and feature removals, "security" features designed to lock down your PC against yo…

I was quite disgusted when I saw that Windows 10's start menu contains adverts

Maybe they got the idea from Ubuntu's funneling local search queries to online search engines?

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by ino »

Mithaldu wrote: post #119
sundvor wrote: post #111

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'll most likely be downvoted for this, but whilst I sympathise with the plight of those being auto upgraded at inconvenience a small part of me thinks that those users who cannot be bothered to read the important OS information notices, are the ones who may need the upgrade the most. As parent (+1'ed) notes, the message itself is quite clear in its intent. I would not for a second think that closing the window would…

I'm on the edge about agreeing that this is a good thing, but you're right. Due to the long history of people ignoring updates and then blaming MS for when they get hit by the latest 0-day, parts of MS are probably feeling very antagonistic against some of their users at this point.

Win 10 is not a security update.

Microsoft is committed to security updates on Win 8.1 until 2023.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by ams6110 »

mattkevan wrote: post #49

The windows boxes in our office have been upgrading themselves, much to everyone's dismay: The one in the meeting room decided to upgrade and then break in the middle of a client presentation I was leading. I got my Mac and continued on, but it was embarrassing. My colleague's machine upgraded itself overnight, and in the process deleted a bunch of files and corrupted creative suite. I know having as many people as p…

I thought business licenses for Windows didn't do the auto-upgrade?

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Post by yuhong »

jasonjayr wrote: post #127
yuhong wrote: post #65

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This is a good time to mention that the minimum for volume licensing is only 5 copies.

Besides opening up a sales channel, is there SOMETHING that can explain what the right way to license Office + Windows in a 50-employee business? I've gotten by for SOOO long with samba + OSS, and our main stack is OSS, and have remained on the up + up with licensing. But with CAL's, Domain Controllers, File servers, etc, etc -- It seems to get so obnoxiously expensive fast --- for the only benefit of entrenching you…

Yea, CALs are another mess altogether. I think some server products even use per-core licensing now.

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Post by ams6110 »

swang wrote: post #78
Mithaldu wrote: post #52

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Edit: After some thinking: Yes, i agree this is a dark pattern and MS needs to be held accountable to it accordingly. My only disagreement with the current direction of discourse is that people are not saying "MS manipulated me into an update", which is the truth, but "Windows updated on its own and there was nothing anyone could do", which isn't. -- They didn't change it, it was always that way. People only realized…

Surely you're joking? "Click here to change your upgrade schedule" is in such tiny font of course no one will see it. If Microsoft cared about its users, that option would be way bigger than it is. Edit: They purposely put in all that information because they know people won't want to read through all that. That dialog is purposely designed to trick users because they've been taught that if they want to cancel, hit t…

Charitably, Microsoft learned from Windows 95 and Windows NT that if you expect users to upgrade on their own they won't do it. So now they are forcing the issue, albeit with bad execution.

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Post by ams6110 »

cm2187 wrote: post #85
jmiserez wrote: post #82

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> Even linux (which is awful as desktop system) I disagree. Linux is great as a desktop system precisely because you're in control, not some third-party. And in terms of desktop functionality there is no meaningful difference anymore.

But the drivers problem isn't really behind them. I just purchased a lenovo laptop after reading similar comments noting the progress of linux desktop, and can't get the laptop to connect to an external monitor, despite the device being on ubuntu's certified list.

Graphics adapters and WiFi are still the two things you have to really pay attention to if you are buying a new PC with the intent of running anything other than the OS it's delivered with.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by dghughes »

curiousgal wrote: post #5
trhway wrote: post #4

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i wish some trial lawyers found an opportunity here for a class action against MS. Couple weeks ago one of our laptops became Win 10. May be it is better than Win 8.1, yet i still would have wanted to be a part of that decision :)

https://www.grc.com/never10.htm

>Never10 does NOT prevent the installation of Windows updates, including the infamous Get Windows 10 (GWX) update KB3035583. Never10 simply employs Microsoft's documented and sanctioned configuration settings to instruct it NOT to change the installed version of Windows.

That would not have helped in this situation OP stated what hurt them was the huge amount bandwidth (6GB) used on an account where they pay per MB.

Re: Forced Windows 10 Upgrade Shuts Down PC Used by Anti-Poaching Rangers in Africa

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Post by Mithaldu »

ino wrote: post #134
Mithaldu wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm on the edge about agreeing that this is a good thing, but you're right. Due to the long history of people ignoring updates and then blaming MS for when they get hit by the latest 0-day, parts of MS are probably feeling very antagonistic against some of their users at this point.

Win 10 is not a security update. Microsoft is committed to security updates on Win 8.1 until 2023.

Feeling antagonistic also often results in irrational actions.
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