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Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by spb »

argonaut wrote: post #63
gormo2 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's quite possible the law discussed in that article was broken. The author lists the three cases of relevance: (1) whether Clinton knew she was putting classified information into an unclassified system, (2) did she willfully communicate classified information to anyone not authorized to receive it, and (3) did she remove classified information with the intent to retain such documents or materials at an unauthorize…

And the article lists various reasons why none of those would likely apply to her. The IG's report only shows incompetence on her part, not criminal intent.

The IG's report is basically just ass-covering by the Department of State, iterating her violations of protocol so that it doesn't look like they were completely incapable of recognizing things that the FBI is about to bring to light.

The criminal intent part is the FBI's job, and will likely apply, at the very least, to things like Clinton's attempt to delete thousands of messages before handing over the server (messages the FBI was able to obtain anyway due to offsite backups, going by the extrapolations observed and detailed on http://www.thompsontimeline.com/).

Even if she's not found guilty of violating any major law, this kind of obstruction of justice alone is in a class of behavior we impeached her husband over. I imagine the FBI doesn't take kindly to the people they're investigating putting the bureau through hassles like this.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by xufi »

dmritard96 wrote: post #40

Also curious about USB - are there any USB logs and is that something logged by whatever OS her server was running? seems like it would have been really easy for things to move from email to usb...

That's a intersting point. Who knows if she even had a way to do that unless she connected remotely overseas via a secure client . Granted though it'd have to be highly secure

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by jflatow »

gizmo wrote: post #50
jflatow wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the best case version (for her), and what her camp wants people to believe. Its hard to see that it's true though. The IG report is pretty clear that she willfully violated recommendations and warnings about security. I'm inclined to believe accounts like this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9149363 Perhaps she wasn't furtively planning to take over the world, but the evidence points to more than her ju…

So she wanted the NSA to stonewall because that would give her the excuse she needed to set up a private email server? And the rest of the administration played along? The simpler explanation is that Clinton got really annoyed with the NSA for denying her requests so she disregarded the rules and did her own thing.

Who knows what she would have done if she weren't stonewalled.

Your explanation is no "simpler", you're just completely disregarding the facts. People didn't just play along, she got a lot of pushback, especially for someone in such a senior position.

In 2011, she was offered a FOIAble BlackBerry. Her team said it didn't make sense. The simple explanation is that she didn't want a FOIAble BB.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/295909737/Stephen-Mull-Emails-to-...

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by stillusingvb6 »

untog wrote: post #65

Among the more disappointing things in all of this is that there is a rational, important conversation to be had about everyday awareness of security and government inflexibility. But there won't be, because she is Hillary Clinton and it is 2016. Supposedly she got the server set up because the NSA refused to give a politician who travels frequently a secure smartphone. She (I personally believe) was likely ignorant…

She knew what she was doing

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by mtgx »

secabeen wrote: post #130
ctdonath wrote: post #127

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Supposedly she got the server set up because the NSA refused to give a politician who travels frequently a secure smartphone. Baloney. She was the second most powerful person in the US government. If she couldn't get them to provide modern secure communications, she had the ear of the one who could. If it was as you say, and truly that systemic a problem, then indeed heads should politically roll - starting from the…

Here are the results from the FOIA request that underlie that statement. The NSA certainly pushed back. https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judi...

I think the NSA wanted to give her a secure Windows Mobile (or whatever it was called back then) phone, which may have been better supported. They also mention security issues with Blackberry, presumably even if they tried to make it "secure" themselves.

If I remember correctly, they didn't want to allow Obama to use a Blackberry either back then, but he was a big fan of Blackberries and said he couldn't use the much uglier and brick-like alternatives. So I think they eventually compromised for the president. But I don't think they were just going to do it for everyone else, at least not at the time.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by foxylad »

stillusingvb6 wrote: post #134
untog wrote: post #65

Among the more disappointing things in all of this is that there is a rational, important conversation to be had about everyday awareness of security and government inflexibility. But there won't be, because she is Hillary Clinton and it is 2016. Supposedly she got the server set up because the NSA refused to give a politician who travels frequently a secure smartphone. She (I personally believe) was likely ignorant…

She knew what she was doing

No, she didn't, on many levels. Her underlings should have known better, but if a 68-year-old politician knew anything about internet security practices, I'd vote for them!

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by salgernon »

wrong_variable wrote: post #84
slantedview wrote: post #46

One of the commenters on the Krebs post makes a remarkable point [1]: "It gets better. Do a dig mx clintonemail.com. You’ll see that the machine’s incoming email was filtered by mxlogic.net, a spam filtering service that works by received all your emails, filtering out the spam, and forwarding you the rest. This is because the hosting provider, Platte River Network, sold a package along with the hosting. The package…

oh my god, this is depressing sad. She could have hired a team of machine learning grad students to build her a personalized spam filter. but she went with the cheapest option. this is going to keep me upset for a while.

"She" did nothing of the sort. She told someone she wanted her email available. They said, ok, we'll just host it ourselves. "Whatever, I want my daily suduko and make sure I stop getting those damn linked-in spams". "Ok boss".

Seriously, how could anyone really believe she specc'd this out herself? Her staff probably threw it together as a MVP with the full intention of revisiting the implementation "really soon".

And then they lost interest.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by asddddd »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #71
slantedview wrote: post #62

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The irony of Clinton having possibly violated the same law that she has used to (wrongly) advocate for the prosecution of whistleblowers is maddening, and moreover, the fact that she will likely escape prosecution is a horrible indictment of our democracy.

She probably won't if Trump is elected. A lot of people are saying there's no way she gets indicted before the election. However, if Trump is elected, he's already said he's going to indict her and send her to prison. Therefore, I if you want to see her indicted, you're probably going to have to vote for Trump.

I expect Obama would pardon her if necessary. Worth noting that Bill Clinton pardoned John Deutch for something remarkably similar when he left office.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by cm2012 »

zaroth wrote: post #108
cm2012 wrote: post #32

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That server was for only unclassified data though. Some stuff was later called "Classified", but many innocuous things are classified.

What do you mean "that server was for only unclassified data"? There was no other server. Clinton had a .gov account but entirely refused to use it. Meaning 100% of the email Clinton sent was sent through her insecure personal server. Do you believe 100% of her email was entirely unclassified at the time it was sent? As for innocuous, it's reported that her emails (unsurprisingly) included intelligence from "special…

There was another server for truly classified info + hard copies were used for sensitive stuff. Also, the official non-classified state department server was confirmed hacked during her tenure.

Excerpt:

How did Clinton receive and consume classified information?

The Secretary's office was located in a secure area. Classified information was viewed in hard copy by Clinton while in the office. While on travel, the State Department had rigorous protocols for her and traveling staff to receive and transmit information of all types.

A separate, closed email system was used by the State Department for the purpose of handling classified communications, which was designed to prevent such information from being transmitted anywhere other than within that system.

Re: Did the Clinton Email Server Have an Internet-Based Printer?

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Post by atf104 »

foxylad wrote: post #136
stillusingvb6 wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She knew what she was doing

No, she didn't, on many levels. Her underlings should have known better, but if a 68-year-old politician knew anything about internet security practices, I'd vote for them!

This is really the crux of the case no one is talking about. There seems to be this notion she set out to do this evil deceptive thing. She had no idea, if anything her underlings were to blame. It was a colossal error, and she's terrible at articulating just about anything, let alone this failure.

Our choices this cycle are extremely poor, but I'll take her finger on the button any day of the week over the real estate oompa loompa.

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