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Learning from Tay’s introduction

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Re: Learning from Tay’s introduction

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Post by kelukelugames »

warmblood wrote: post #89
mindslight wrote: post #72

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> Many of her tweets were pretty inflammatory What, were people forced to print the tweets out on sandpaper and wipe their asses with them? It's pretty fucked up that thought policing has gotten so entrenched into our psyche that it's "obvious" an experiment should be discontinued, apologized for, and be pondered as a priori irresponsible , all because it generated vulgar phrases! Corporations have always been vulner…

Standing behind the open and casual use of racial slurs isn't advocacy of freedom of speech. It's advocacy of a specific kind of hate speech that is only used when someone intends to vilify and direct hostility towards a marginalized minority.

Just going post post this xkcd comic.

https://xkcd.com/1357/

I didn't think Tay's tweets were a big deal. I didn't think Microsoft's apology was either. But some people have a strong persecution complex and are offended that you can't make racist comments on Twitter.

Re: Learning from Tay’s introduction

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Post by kelukelugames »

magicalist wrote: post #101
mindslight wrote: post #72

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> Many of her tweets were pretty inflammatory What, were people forced to print the tweets out on sandpaper and wipe their asses with them? It's pretty fucked up that thought policing has gotten so entrenched into our psyche that it's "obvious" an experiment should be discontinued, apologized for, and be pondered as a priori irresponsible , all because it generated vulgar phrases! Corporations have always been vulner…

> It's pretty fucked up that thought policing has gotten so entrenched into our psyche that it's "obvious" an experiment should be discontinued, apologized for, and be pondered as a priori irresponsible, all because it generated vulgar phrases! This is fucking stupid. It was a bot that didn't do what they wanted it to do in a publicly embarrassing way. They could also be legitimately sorry that something they created…

About 10 years ago, I remember people were incredibly offended when they couldn't describe negative things as "gay" anymore.

Re: Learning from Tay’s introduction

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Post by MawNicker »

magicalist wrote: post #128
MawNicker wrote: post #113

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It's sad that it's ironic. It's always ironic. Tolerance is the intolerance of intolerance. It's true. Intolerance is shitty and I fucking hate it. I want it to die. I complain about it's enduring existence whenever I get the opportunity. I know I'm being ironic. Do you know there's no other option? I actually appreciated knowing that someone else saw the same condemnation. Microsoft is a world authority. That it jus…

I'm not making some cute comment about the intolerance of tolerance. I'm pointing out that someone apparently personally offended about a culture of outrage is the only one outraged over the whole thing. There have been no widespread condemnations of Microsoft, just a lot of mildly amused people. > That it just apologized for these things in the same motion makes them offensive. You're assuming motivations that you h…

I would also apologize. Even though I had done nothing wrong. That's just the world we live in now. He (I assume, sorry) and I are personally offended and outraged because that is wrong. We shouldn't be doing this. We should just explain what happened. It's frustrating to see this behavior become so commonplace. We should just not be racist and not appologize. Otherwise wtf is reality.

Re: Learning from Tay’s introduction

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Post by Houshalter »

whitegrape wrote: post #85
mtgx wrote: post #82

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> Morals are learned by social contact, and Tay did this very well. Only in the sense that it "adapted". It did "very poorly" in the sense that we really don't want our Strong-AI overlords to end up like that. But this begs the question - can we stop strong AI from not becoming the next Hitler? Humans (involuntarily) stop themselves from becoming the next Hitler because they have compassion for other humans, even whe…

https://intelligence.org/research/ basically exists to try and make sure AGI doesn't become Hitler (or much much worse).

Yes but they admit that the problem is extremely hard. They aren't sure if they can solve it, or if it can be solved.

Re: Learning from Tay’s introduction

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Post by intopieces »

Houshalter wrote: post #121

Microsoft please don't worry about this. No one but idiots are offended by this. It's understood that its just a stupid chatbot mimicking human responses. The AI isn't terrible, people are. And unless you keep a dataset of every offensive thing a person can say, and every offensive image they can tweet, there's no way to prevent people from tweeting it pictures of Hitler... or Scunthorpe. But who cares. This is just…

>No one but idiots are offended by this.

Well, if those "idiots" include potential investors or customers of future MSFT AI products, "don't worry about it" is not sound advice. This is a very public failure of a promising Microsoft product.

Re: Learning from Tay’s introduction

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Post by stared »

chaz72 wrote: post #80
user8341116 wrote: post #48

Bahahaahhahahahaha. O-our chatbot got taken advantage of! We were completely blind that this could possibly happen! But they're the worst of humanity, the people that found an exploit not the engineers who are incapable of implementing even simple safeguards!!

Sounds easy! So what does your plan to implement "simple safeguards" for a chatbot on Twitter look like?

For starter: penalizing generated phrases with obscene words, "hate", "kill", "Hilter" and a few other.

Re: Learning from Tay’s introduction

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Post by [deleted] »

popmystack wrote: post #116
mindslight wrote: post #72

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> Many of her tweets were pretty inflammatory What, were people forced to print the tweets out on sandpaper and wipe their asses with them? It's pretty fucked up that thought policing has gotten so entrenched into our psyche that it's "obvious" an experiment should be discontinued, apologized for, and be pondered as a priori irresponsible , all because it generated vulgar phrases! Corporations have always been vulner…

None of this is remotely related to thought policing.

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Re: Learning from Tay’s introduction

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Post by [deleted] »

pdenya wrote: post #130
bliti wrote: post #81

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Interesting that it worked in China and not here. I'd like to read about the difference rather than a bland apology.

> Unfortunately, in the first 24 hours of coming online, a coordinated attack by a subset of people exploited a vulnerability in Tay. I think it just didn't get a coordinated attack like this. I'd guess this type of attack needs to happen close to launch to be a high percentage of it's interactions to influence it so strongly.

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Re: Learning from Tay’s introduction

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Post by Nadya »

stared wrote: post #136
chaz72 wrote: post #80

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Sounds easy! So what does your plan to implement "simple safeguards" for a chatbot on Twitter look like?

For starter: penalizing generated phrases with obscene words, "hate", "kill", "Hilter" and a few other.

"I really hate Hitler. If he were alive today, I'd kill him."

Want to give a reason that should be a heavily penalized phrase?

Re: Learning from Tay’s introduction

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Post by kolme »

eganist wrote: post #84
bliti wrote: post #81

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Interesting that it worked in China and not here. I'd like to read about the difference rather than a bland apology.

If I had to venture a hunch, it likely has something to do with a difference in culture.

Almost only Chinese people speak Chinese. However, many people speak English (I come from Spain, for example), so in this case you can hardly pin it on a single culture.

I think in this case it has to do more with 4chan's culture than a regional culture.

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