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The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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This the same guy that Sony wanted to put in prison for figuring out how to run code on the PS3... That stunt is also what lead to a coordinated attack against PSN that took the service down for more than a month.

Link?

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This comment is depressingly cynical. This is probably the single best definition of "hacking", as the community often refers to it, that I've seen in a very long time. One guy starts working on something only the biggest companies in the world dare attempt, throws together a minimal prototype built on top of existing technology. Just look at the picture of it. Claims of commercial viability or beating Tesla are a bi…

If this is the "hacker ethos" then I want nothing to do with it: > “I live by morals, I don’t live by laws,” Hotz declared in the story. “Laws are something made by assholes.” > “ ‘If’ statements kill.” > “I want power. Not power over people, but power over nature and the destiny of technology. I just want to know how it all works.”

Then may you get what you want.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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> The last people with jobs will be AI programmers Geohotz makes a decent point. The way the industrial revolution reduced manual labour, and made thinkers and tinkerers much more valuable, the advent of AI (true AI, mind you, not the tiny stuff that we currently assume) might actually make us obsolete. It is a peaceful and yet terrifying thought.

Can you point to one such job where someone lost his/her job to "AI"?

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Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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If a self-driving car is designed around neural networks, then does that remove the liability dilemma introduced when such a car is involved in an accident? The car panicked and crashed. If we could move the liability to the car itself, then maybe we could just add the car to its own insurance policy, you know, as if it were a dependent, like a teenage driver.

Wow, here's a ton of possibilities! The neural net powered bank computer stole your money and used it to pay the CEO a bonus - move the liability to the computer! The possibilities are endless.

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Yes, but what if his system suddenly decides to turn hard right for no reason while driving fast and he runs into another car, human, tree, whatever and he has no chance to react quickly enough? This is different to a PS3 crashing because he made some error.

The steering is massively torque limited by the car's EPS module(5x lower limit than Tesla). It can't turn hard right, it can lazily list to the right, giving you tons of time to react. I actually have put a lot of thought into safety :)

Have you got some screenshots/videos to share of the car screen doing its thing? The Bloomberg video did a pretty good job, but, we're geeks and we need more of that stuff.

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> “I understand the state-of-the-art papers,” he says. “The math is simple. For the first time in my life, I’m like, ‘I know everything there is to know.’ ” Yep, he's still in his twenties.

I wish I could upvote this more. A person in their 20's knows nothing, but thinks they've outsmarted the world. It's not until your 30's that you realize how big of an idiot you were/are and how much of the world you actually understand (read: little).

how many pioneering mods / hacks did you do in your 20's ?

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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Can you point to one such job where someone lost his/her job to "AI"?

Look at any automated warehouse these days. Pickers, stockers, warehouse managers..... Those are going by the way side.

Would you consider those machines AI?

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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> The last people with jobs will be AI programmers Geohotz makes a decent point. The way the industrial revolution reduced manual labour, and made thinkers and tinkerers much more valuable, the advent of AI (true AI, mind you, not the tiny stuff that we currently assume) might actually make us obsolete. It is a peaceful and yet terrifying thought.

I've thought about this a lot before actually. In my opinion, the last people with jobs will be mathematicians. If you think about everything that would be hardest to automate, I think deep mathematical theory would be the most difficult (automated theorem provers have their limits).

Re: The first person to hack the iPhone is building a self-driving car

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"His self-funded experiment could end with Hotz humbly going back to knock on Google’s door for a job." The biggest thing here IMO is this is self-funded. Any startup trying to do what he is doing in this environment would have raised $50 Million, hired 100's of engineers from top notch schools, become accepted in YC, and have Marc Andreessen, Paul Graham, Sam Altman and all singing their praises. Kudos to him for be…

While I understand where you're coming from, and even feel emotionally invested in the idea of bootstrapping, objectively speaking, it's a bad decision to stay self-funded. It is, after all, a business, and if you can accelerate your business' growth 100x by taking on some very smart outside investors and hire very smart people, why wouldn't you?

Because if all of that will distract you from actually developing the product. Granted this won't work for most people, but if you're extremely talented like geohot then it may not be a bad call.
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