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Re: Off the Grid, but Still Online

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" I don't understand the appeal of living in an expense shoebox in a concrete metropolis " You don't need to look any further than the warnings in the post you're replying to for a response. If you're dating, prefer lots of social interaction, or attend a lot of big-city events, then you're going to have a bad time living in southern Missouri.

I think the dating ritual depends on the city. I probally shouldn't say this, but I see many single women move to San Francisco, and while if they get housing, they enjoy big-city events, but dating is not one of them here. San Francisco is not a good place for straight women to date. No one talks about it, because it's not politically correct, but in my observations they come here, and are lonely. There's just too m…

It's well established from census data that SF has a surplus of single men, not women. More political incorrectness: women in SF should "woman up" and initiate the approach. Why must they play the passive role? Also, guys naturally are less likely to approach a woman who's out of their league.

Re: Off the Grid, but Still Online

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I have actually been living and working in Whitehorse for the last 4 years, as I wanted to save enough money to do something big again (going for 2+ years around Africa in my Jeep). While Whitehorse is a city, I have world-class mountain biking from my backyard, and 20 minutes from town in any direction I have no cell reception and rarely see other people on the weekends. 3 hours from town we can be hundreds of kilom…

How do you manage the winters?

Lots of music and house parties. Life is pretty social up there.

Re: Off the Grid, but Still Online

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He mentions that his home server and internet gateway is a Sheevaplug with a wireless dongle and dialup modem. Presumably he doesn't have a landline where he lives. Can anyone comment on getting dialup access via a cell phone connection? Is that one way his setup could work?

There is a landline. Cell service is still unavailable. I could probably get fiber to the house here now, but running the gear would use more than my total current power budget. Also, I kind of like a more measured pace in the webpages I read.

Thank you for the reply! I was under the impression that your home was occasionally mobile as well so that's why the fixed land line solution wasn't immediately obvious.

Re: Off the Grid, but Still Online

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(Disclaimer: Slightly off-topic. Also, it's not my intention to belittle their lifestyle. I hope I don't come across that way.) Some of the things they need even in this disconnected lifestyle - like the mobile home, laptops, books, solar panels, batteries and even the slippers have to be made by someone doing a 9-5 job somewhere. The idea of civilization to me is to take advantage of these specialists who are really…

You're absolutely right, but the point means nothing. Capitalism says that if a person wants to work 100+ hours a week and drive a Porsche, they can. If another person only wants to work 10 hours a week and walk everywhere, they can. Simply because Porsche sell $200K+ cars, does not mean I'm obligated to work enough to pay for that. > have to be made by someone doing a 9-5 job somewhere Actually, the person making th…

> Actually, the person making those things could also have chosen to live a simpler life and only be working part time. It's their choice.

I did not interpret the point you responded to the same way as you. It's not about that individual's choice, but about the necessity for some person to be producing those products under those working conditions, in order for the off-grid folks to be able to consume them.

For some people, there's an implicit hypocrisy in visibly "opting-out" of a lifestyle if your new lifestyle necessitates that others have to fill in behind you. For others, yourself included I guess, it's just a market and anything goes.

Re: Off the Grid, but Still Online

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(Disclaimer: Slightly off-topic. Also, it's not my intention to belittle their lifestyle. I hope I don't come across that way.) Some of the things they need even in this disconnected lifestyle - like the mobile home, laptops, books, solar panels, batteries and even the slippers have to be made by someone doing a 9-5 job somewhere. The idea of civilization to me is to take advantage of these specialists who are really…

You're absolutely right, but the point means nothing. Capitalism says that if a person wants to work 100+ hours a week and drive a Porsche, they can. If another person only wants to work 10 hours a week and walk everywhere, they can. Simply because Porsche sell $200K+ cars, does not mean I'm obligated to work enough to pay for that. > have to be made by someone doing a 9-5 job somewhere Actually, the person making th…

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Re: Off the Grid, but Still Online

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I'm Australian, and have gone through ~7 years of paperwork to become an Canadian Permanent Resident. I have another ~5 years for citizenship, which I'm working towards because Canada really is that awesome :) I'm sure there are places equally as stunning in the Northern European countries.

Doesn't Australia have its own vast remote wilderness? Or is freezing cold preferable to scorching hot?

Surely New Zealand is an easier hop for those things?

Re: Off the Grid, but Still Online

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> is there some kind of unmentioned catch Speaking from experience, the catch is you won't get to live the life of convenience and luxury that marketing has been pushing down your throat for the last 20+ years. When you work less, you have less money, which means you spend less money, which means you often do things for yourself. Oil changes can be dirty, chopping wood can be hard work, and canning vegetables is a lo…

That part I'm sold on. I'm wondering about, as another comment mentioned, what happens if you discover one day you're not self sufficient, even temporarily (significant illness, chronic illness, major injury - or something I'm not considering). If I don't want to be a burden on anyone on the grid, but don't want to depend on social services, how do I factor that in?

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Re: Off the Grid, but Still Online

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Did you save to make the trip or are you still working during (or both)? Were you an RVer before hand? Are you doing it alone? So many questions, I always thought this was an interesting avenue to take when considering "working remotely".

Still working and saving a good amount of $$. A developer job that likes me around during normal business hours. So it is a pretty normal existence in that respect. Just a tent camper and when we left I had never towed anything before. We were prepared and knew what to expect so had no real surprises. Not alone. I'm married. She does a mix of writing and editing and most of the day to day logistics.

I'm probably younger than you and not married so this might be a silly question, but do you still have a social life with moving so much? Also the Airstream looks so cool, like your trailing a space ship from 1955.

Re: Off the Grid, but Still Online

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>Fedex works because people near you also need packages. That's exactly my point. The more people who need packages around you, the less it costs to deliver a package specifically to you. Going off the grid in remote corners sounds great, but part of the reason we moved to cities is because sharing infrastructure costs makes things more efficient. >Also, the US population density is ~100 people per square mile so cha…

There are less than 4 million miles of road in the US. At 1$ per mile you can send a truck down every one 6 days a week for 1.3 billion a year. (Note, there would be some backtracking but also some roads are avoided.) FedEx's revenue is 45 billion a year so the last mile is not a problem as long as the volume is there. On top of that if you live in the middle of nowhere they simply don't deliver to you. So, if more p…

The drivers alone probably cost more than $1/mile, then you have gas and maintenance. FedEx had $45B revenue with $2B net income, not exactly huge margins.

Obviously there is more to package deliver than just the raw cost of getting a package from a local sorting center to the end of a rural driveway.

At the moment, a lot of the cheap rural shipping is being subsidized by the USPS.

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