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Seattle, in Midst of Tech Boom, Tries to Keep Its Soul

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Re: Seattle, in Midst of Tech Boom, Tries to Keep Its Soul

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I'm a software engineer with a great job in midwest but I have never been happy here and have been contemplating about just packing my stuff and moving to Seattle for the past 3 years. I don't have any job leads but I have enough in savings to get a place for 6 months. Does anyone think it's sane to just move without job offers?

Spend a month learning to interview with a book like Cracking the Code, and yeah, you'll get a great job.

Re: Seattle, in Midst of Tech Boom, Tries to Keep Its Soul

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The "original neighborhood profile" wasn't gay creatives. That didn't happen until the 70s/80s. It was blue collar mechanics and auto-shop workers before then.

Oh yes definitely. I don't mean a bunch of gay artists came and built it in the 30's or postwar period. But the reinvention of the place, in the 70s and 80s as you say, was what helped make it distinct culturally. That's now coming to an end and a new era is starting - but lots of people would rather it didn't, myself included. Not much we can do though.

Only my subculture has value and deserves to be preserved.

Re: Seattle, in Midst of Tech Boom, Tries to Keep Its Soul

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Took a job in Bellevue in April and moved from Philadelphia to Seattle. So far it's a been an interesting experience. I've encountered many people hostile to software engineers in general. A bunch of people immediately ask if I work for Amazon with a hint of disdain after I state my occupation. So it hasn't felt super welcoming so far. I get it, even in some neighborhoods in Philadelphia the same thing is happening.…

Seattle has never been particularly welcoming to newcomers; people there tend to be insular and it can be hard to make friends if you don't already know people (even before the amazon/tech stuff -- plenty of articles about 'the seattle freeze' that predate it). Being from there helps. Not being in tech helps -- there are so many new software engineers meeting one just isn't very interesting. You can hardly blame peop…

Have you ever tried traveling anywhere around South Lake Union at the end of a work day? It's an absolute nightmare, and doesn't do anything to ingratiate Amazon to the rest of the city.

Re: Seattle, in Midst of Tech Boom, Tries to Keep Its Soul

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Sounds like it to me. What difference does it make if you inherit your money or earn your money. Either way you're "rich".

I can't imagine you're this obtuse for real but I'll bite. Pretty sure the backlash is against the "kids" part of rich kids - as the phrase "rich kids" insinuates second-gen wealth, a mass of money without having the responsibility or maturity to have earned it. Very different story than for many of us self-made engineers, coming from the lower end of the economic bracket and taking advantage of scholarships and fina…

What makes you say that "rich kids" implies second-generation wealth? Everyone I know who uses it in a pejorative sense is pretty clearly referring to how most of the people in question are still being carded at bars. A 23-year-old making $120K is on the lower end of upper-class and can safely be assured of moving upward barring very unusual circumstances. And if you work in startup-ish/leading-edge tech, I'll lay even-odds on "spoiled" fitting. (Where do you think all the Mom-replacement startups, the feed-me-and-do-my-laundry startups, come from?) I am profoundly fortunate in my choice of career and the benefits I've realized from it--and I don't apologize for it, but I at least try to keep perspective on my extreme good fortune. There but for the grace of God, so on and so forth.

The backlash is not against "kids", but unreasonable defensiveness about the word "rich," because "oh, I'm not rich, I'm just getting by even though I have a stupid-good 401k and benefits and make enough money to never look at a bank statement." When you have to own up to just not really working all that hard and just not really having a struggle in your life that you didn't create, lots of people feel real bad. (And the ones that are hurting people with real problems should feel bad. "But economics" does not clean one's hands of one's contributions to even faceless evil.)

Re: Seattle, in Midst of Tech Boom, Tries to Keep Its Soul

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Seattle has never been particularly welcoming to newcomers; people there tend to be insular and it can be hard to make friends if you don't already know people (even before the amazon/tech stuff -- plenty of articles about 'the seattle freeze' that predate it). Being from there helps. Not being in tech helps -- there are so many new software engineers meeting one just isn't very interesting. You can hardly blame peop…

>> Also everyone hates amazon. Odd, compared to Bentonville where everyone loves Wal-mart.

Plenty of people in NW Arkansas, particularly Fayetteville and Eureka Springs, aren't huge Walmart/Tyson/JB Hunt fans.

Re: Seattle, in Midst of Tech Boom, Tries to Keep Its Soul

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post #93

I'm a software engineer with a great job in midwest but I have never been happy here and have been contemplating about just packing my stuff and moving to Seattle for the past 3 years. I don't have any job leads but I have enough in savings to get a place for 6 months. Does anyone think it's sane to just move without job offers?

You might move a bit farther out of town to extend your savings. Plus if you're outdoorsy or would like to be, being 20 miles closer to the Cascades makes getting out midweek feasible and beating the crowds on the weekends.

Re: Seattle, in Midst of Tech Boom, Tries to Keep Its Soul

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Seattle has never been particularly welcoming to newcomers; people there tend to be insular and it can be hard to make friends if you don't already know people (even before the amazon/tech stuff -- plenty of articles about 'the seattle freeze' that predate it). Being from there helps. Not being in tech helps -- there are so many new software engineers meeting one just isn't very interesting. You can hardly blame peop…

Have you ever tried traveling anywhere around South Lake Union at the end of a work day? It's an absolute nightmare, and doesn't do anything to ingratiate Amazon to the rest of the city.

Was there ever a reason to travel around South Lake Union at the end of a work day before? Other than to exit 99 for the Mercer Street industrial wasteland pothole-dodge on the way to I-5, of course.

Re: Seattle, in Midst of Tech Boom, Tries to Keep Its Soul

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I have a question for all you unrepentant capitalists out there -- why is it that massive concentrations of wealth pretty consistently tend to lead to a decrease in the overall quality of life? Because if the boosters of capitalism are to be believed, the path to making society better on balance is to enable people to accumulate unlimited amounts of personal wealth and then sort of let that wealth diffuse through the…

Every one of your paragraphs contains a strawman.

Re: Seattle, in Midst of Tech Boom, Tries to Keep Its Soul

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Seattle has never been particularly welcoming to newcomers; people there tend to be insular and it can be hard to make friends if you don't already know people (even before the amazon/tech stuff -- plenty of articles about 'the seattle freeze' that predate it). Being from there helps. Not being in tech helps -- there are so many new software engineers meeting one just isn't very interesting. You can hardly blame peop…

I keep reading all these scary stories about how unwelcoming people from Seattle is; I moved here back in February and my experience until now have been completely the opposite: almost every Seattleite I meet is super friendly and talkative, at the point that it feels almost like being in a small town. Maybe I am just lucky? but I think Seattle is one of the coolest cities in the US, except of course for the traffic.

Having a giant lake dividing Seattle from the rest of the area has a really negative impact on traffic.

I lived in Seattle for 4 years and I generally found people cold and distant, my wife did too.

Re: Seattle, in Midst of Tech Boom, Tries to Keep Its Soul

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Seattle has never been particularly welcoming to newcomers; people there tend to be insular and it can be hard to make friends if you don't already know people (even before the amazon/tech stuff -- plenty of articles about 'the seattle freeze' that predate it). Being from there helps. Not being in tech helps -- there are so many new software engineers meeting one just isn't very interesting. You can hardly blame peop…

> and avoiding talking about work entirely fuck, is this not SOP for everyone? conversation order of operations: work < people < things < ideas

Here in the DC metro area, pretty much the first question you get upon meeting someone is: "So, what do you do?"

Unfortunately, it's not SOP everywhere.

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