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All the innovation at AWS is amazing. If they every stop charging by the Gigabyte for bandwidth and move to a flat model then I would be tempted to switch to them for all my sites.

Why would they do that? It makes sense to charge per gb. It gets people using them when they are small and its cheap to use S3/EC2 and then as they scale up its easier to just stick with AWS.

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After reading those pages, I think you're wrong, and the $200 is actually per-device. For one thing, the documentation says you can use multiple Snowball devices, but carefully tiptoes around saying whether or not there's an extra charge for doing so. All of the language that actually talks about pricing just says "the device", singular. For another thing, the screenshots of the "create a job" workflow are missing an…

You can request multiple devices at once. I didn't include that screen in the blog post.

Ah, good to know! I would edit my comment with a correction if the option was still available.

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AWS is the employee that sits there and learns the industry and every inch of the system you have for 5 years, and then one day you wake up and they're not at work. You read the news that morning and they just got 50 million to do their version of your company, and way better than yours. Or they start getting older, don't keep the skills sharp enough, and die off. Now you've got to painfully convince them to help you…

Hasn't really impacted Netflix and pretty much every other customer using AWS.

For now. If you want to see the future have a look at the debacle that just went on with prime/appletv/google. If they get a strong enough dominance they will. Given that the IoT is a rising thing, and Amazon is placing itself at the apex of the internets backbone and already has a strangle on the physical goods world, it should be easy to see the next 10 years if it continues. I can see the pitch now... imagine... a world where you can sell your hardware and put your servers all in the same stack! (at least until you POC it for us). If you want to see the future of that, have a look at companies that have had their physical goods ideas stolen and are now mass produced at Amazon for that "everyday low price" (and no that jab at them v walmart isn't an accident).

I was hoping somebody would bring up Netflix. Netflix is AWS's poster child and they know it. They need AWS still just as much as AWS needs them. The statement you just made proves that. They will do everything up to and including take a loss to keep Netflix around. I can assure you that your company will not be getting the same price quote or technical support that Netflix does unless they can bring them just as many sales by being a status symbol and marketing tool for them.

There seems to be a trend of people thinking "AWS is my friend". No. They are a company, and they exist to make money. Have we not all been bitten enough by this thought pattern and loyalty to learn the lesson of "stay flexible"? I'm not advocating that AWS is done away with entirely and nobody should use them ever. I'm advocating that putting your entire stack into their system is a bad idea and that using "black box" software as little as possible is a better approach. When it was just EC2 it was fine, you can build your stuff on an EC2 box with your favorite flavor of *nix and quickly throw boxes up elsewhere if things go south. Now I'm seeing companies put entire critical infrastructures off on Amazon pre built services like they've never seen a tech company go under, or a fad die, or strongarming with brute power.

Re: Amazon Snowball

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> You're not just paying for a pipe, you're paying for the corporation. You are paying their profit margin, yeah. It is wildly overpriced, no matter how you look at it. Operating costs even when done on a much smaller and more inefficient scale than for AWS do not make the total cost for incremental bandwidth usage THAT much larger.

What's the alternative?

The Intercloud.

Re: Amazon Snowball

#136

All the innovation at AWS is amazing. If they every stop charging by the Gigabyte for bandwidth and move to a flat model then I would be tempted to switch to them for all my sites.

Peering links are charge on a consumed bandwidth basis (in a weird sliding scale fashion depending on your balance of egress vs ingress. The closer to 1:1 the better) rather than the fixed fee you pay your ISP.

I used to work for an ISP that would juggle which peering links the usenet servers were favouring to make things more favourable :D

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Yep, all I could think was "Wow, that's a good deal fancier than a station wagon full of tapes". Cloud backup companies have had similar services for a while now, but it's nice to see AWS adopting it.

There was already a service where you could mail AWS removable hard disks and have them load it into S3 for you. https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/send-us-that-data/

Using the calculator for that service, I put in 50TB and 25 hard drives, and the estimated charges came out to $2435.75. The point where snowball is cheaper is fairly low. 4TB on 2 drives is 194.86. Basically more than 5TB over 2 or more drives and it's cheaper to use snowball. Plus you have to pay to have the drives returned back to you.

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I know Dell has glorified portable harddrive arrays in pelican styles cases for moving data between their SAN systems. Unfortunately I don't recall the name and I don't know if they are available for rental. If you have a Dell VAR, have them ask the Dell storage group. Edit: Correction, it doesn't appear to be an array, just single device so 1.5-2TB max. Also basically targeted at this SAN solution only.

Yeah, I need to move 20TB in one go - so i can repurpose the disks.

https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/DS1515+#spec

5 * 6TB drives, RAID5 would put you at nearly 24TB of storage, if my brain is in gear.

Re: Amazon Snowball

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Yeah, I need to move 20TB in one go - so i can repurpose the disks.

https://www.synology.com/en-us/products/DS1515+#spec 5 * 6TB drives, RAID5 would put you at nearly 24TB of storage, if my brain is in gear.

He wants to rent something temporarily, so that he can copy stuff off the drives, take them out of the nas, format them in the new nas so it's compatible, copy stuff off the rented appliance to the new nas, ship the rented thing back off.

He wants to avoid having to have to buy enough drives, etc, to hold all of the data at once

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Yea, we considered this - but if Amazon and Google compete with us I'll consider it a personal success :)

They compete against you whether they know you exist or not because your customers/prospects know Amazon/Google/etc exists. It only takes one of the large players to break the pricing stalemate, and overnight they'll all follow to keep their position in the market.

I sort-of agree with you, but in this case I believe it will persist for years to come, as they have faced competitors charging far less for bandwidth for years already and pretty much ignored it.
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