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Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

#131

Post by harryf »

dgfv1 wrote: post #128
tptacek wrote: post #2

The response to this this on Twitter would be beyond fucked- up if it weren't so completely predictable. People are posting direct links to the dump, screenshots of lists of emails, and statistics for classes of domains. The general reaction to the availability of the dump is reasonably characterized as "glee". But no matter what you think about Ashley Madison --- and I think A.M. is so comically scummy that I had tr…

I'm obviously a dick because I already sent automated messages to relatives of people in the hack indicating to them that they were potentially cheated on. Personally I would want to know so I share that information.

Good thing you did it anonymously. We wouldn't want you to have to face any consequences for your actions. Let's hope you're not responsible for something like this http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/utah-dad-kills-fami...

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

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Post by nkurz »

tptacek wrote: post #2

The response to this this on Twitter would be beyond fucked- up if it weren't so completely predictable. People are posting direct links to the dump, screenshots of lists of emails, and statistics for classes of domains. The general reaction to the availability of the dump is reasonably characterized as "glee". But no matter what you think about Ashley Madison --- and I think A.M. is so comically scummy that I had tr…

"Avid Life Media" is gross and creepy, and apparently totally incompetent.

People (and organizations) have competence in different areas. I was genuinely impressed (in a dark patterns way) by the deftness with which they handle new signups: http://www.useronboard.com/how-ashleymadison-onboards-new-us...

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

#133

Post by dgfv1 »

harryf wrote: post #131
dgfv1 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm obviously a dick because I already sent automated messages to relatives of people in the hack indicating to them that they were potentially cheated on. Personally I would want to know so I share that information.

Good thing you did it anonymously. We wouldn't want you to have to face any consequences for your actions. Let's hope you're not responsible for something like this http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/utah-dad-kills-fami...

I'm sorry what does that article have anything to do with anything.

And if some wacko kills his family and himself how is that in any way my fault?

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

#134

Post by rmc »

in3d wrote: post #93

I'm not sure if people realize how significant this hack is. We just might have seen the first public hack that will cause people to die or be physically hurt. Homosexuality is illegal in certain countries (like Saudi Arabia) and this hack might expose people to harm in these countries. Some reactions of spouses might also be violent. It looks like the reaction of most commenters is very different compared to when Ga…

> Homosexuality is illegal in certain countries (like Saudi Arabia) and this hack might expose people to harm in these countries.

Heck, there's still gay bashing going on in Western countries, regardless of the legality of homosexuality.

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

#135

Post by tomp »

tptacek wrote: post #2

The response to this this on Twitter would be beyond fucked- up if it weren't so completely predictable. People are posting direct links to the dump, screenshots of lists of emails, and statistics for classes of domains. The general reaction to the availability of the dump is reasonably characterized as "glee". But no matter what you think about Ashley Madison --- and I think A.M. is so comically scummy that I had tr…

> how do you make a case that it's unethical for dragnet traffic looking for people who want to blow up civilians with homemade bombs?

If you think leaking info about one organisation "doing bad stuff" (AM) is unethical, how can you then make the case that leaking info about NSA can be ethical? (I don't know if you do, but I certainly do.)

Btw, I don't think hacking should be the crime it is today. At least not as long as the state agencies can do it. We should put more emphasis on computer security, not on persecution of Aaron Swartzes and such people.

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

#136

Post by lentil_soup »

tomp wrote: post #135
tptacek wrote: post #2

The response to this this on Twitter would be beyond fucked- up if it weren't so completely predictable. People are posting direct links to the dump, screenshots of lists of emails, and statistics for classes of domains. The general reaction to the availability of the dump is reasonably characterized as "glee". But no matter what you think about Ashley Madison --- and I think A.M. is so comically scummy that I had tr…

> how do you make a case that it's unethical for dragnet traffic looking for people who want to blow up civilians with homemade bombs? If you think leaking info about one organisation "doing bad stuff" (AM) is unethical, how can you then make the case that leaking info about NSA can be ethical? (I don't know if you do, but I certainly do.) Btw, I don't think hacking should be the crime it is today. At least not as lo…

They are way different. Leaking stuff from A.M. is a personal matter. The NSA (and equivalents in other countries) is a public entity.

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

#137

Post by gizmo686 »

tomp wrote: post #135
tptacek wrote: post #2

The response to this this on Twitter would be beyond fucked- up if it weren't so completely predictable. People are posting direct links to the dump, screenshots of lists of emails, and statistics for classes of domains. The general reaction to the availability of the dump is reasonably characterized as "glee". But no matter what you think about Ashley Madison --- and I think A.M. is so comically scummy that I had tr…

> how do you make a case that it's unethical for dragnet traffic looking for people who want to blow up civilians with homemade bombs? If you think leaking info about one organisation "doing bad stuff" (AM) is unethical, how can you then make the case that leaking info about NSA can be ethical? (I don't know if you do, but I certainly do.) Btw, I don't think hacking should be the crime it is today. At least not as lo…

One could consider leaking info about the NSA to be ethical, however leaking leaking the NSA's database of our private email addresses to be unethical.

More generally, when you leak something ethically, you should take care to redect the portions of the leak that will cause undue harm relative to their value (or, as many leaker due, give the full leak to a trustworthy third party (ie. a journalist), and trust them to redect responsibly). In this case, the hackers could have leaked AM's unethical behaviour without leaking their user's informaion.

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

#138

Post by tomp »

lentil_soup wrote: post #136
tomp wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how do you make a case that it's unethical for dragnet traffic looking for people who want to blow up civilians with homemade bombs? If you think leaking info about one organisation "doing bad stuff" (AM) is unethical, how can you then make the case that leaking info about NSA can be ethical? (I don't know if you do, but I certainly do.) Btw, I don't think hacking should be the crime it is today. At least not as lo…

They are way different. Leaking stuff from A.M. is a personal matter. The NSA (and equivalents in other countries) is a public entity.

How about Stratfor and Hacking Team?

Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

#139

Post by [deleted] »

dgfv1 wrote: post #133
harryf wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good thing you did it anonymously. We wouldn't want you to have to face any consequences for your actions. Let's hope you're not responsible for something like this http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/utah-dad-kills-fami...

I'm sorry what does that article have anything to do with anything. And if some wacko kills his family and himself how is that in any way my fault?

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Re: The Ashley Madison Database Was Leaked

#140

Post by lentil_soup »

yummybear wrote: post #120
tptacek wrote: post #2

The response to this this on Twitter would be beyond fucked- up if it weren't so completely predictable. People are posting direct links to the dump, screenshots of lists of emails, and statistics for classes of domains. The general reaction to the availability of the dump is reasonably characterized as "glee". But no matter what you think about Ashley Madison --- and I think A.M. is so comically scummy that I had tr…

Most people in here (I assume) think Snowden's leaks were ethic, though illegal. The reaction to The Fappening was likewise equal parts glee and disgust. Almost nobody would blink an eye at revealing a doxxing dump from a terrorist sympathizer or CP forum. Ethics are a subjective thing, and lines are hard to place.

I think the line is on whether it's a personal/private matter and when it's not.

The NSA is a government agency, so what it does is in the public interest. A guy planning to bomb something is also by definition affecting the public so exposing that is also in the public interest.

This hack, the fappening and similar are completely personal and private so they are of no concern to anyone but the people involved in it.

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