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Netflix Announces Its New ‘Unlimited’ Maternity and Paternity Leave Program

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> With this in mind, today we’re introducing an unlimited leave policy for new moms and dads that allows them to take off as much time as they want during the first year after a child’s birth or adoption.

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"Unlimited", as in "unlimited data until 1GB". Fascinating. What Netflix calls "unlimited" just means "normal" in a lot of Europe.

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Is it possible that in healthy environments where people are valued and value each other as people they are capable of behaving ethically and responsibly?

What's unethical about taking them at their word that vacation is "unlimited"?

Well, it conflicts for this thing called "work ethic", for one.

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I've seen places that have that minimum be mandatory. As in, if you haven't taken a vacation by a certain time, they will insist, even go so far as restricting access until the vacation is over. The great thing about a mandatory minimum (never thought I'd be saying those words), is that it doesn't allow someone to over work themselves into a frenzy, making everyone else look lazy, while simultaneously burning themsel…

It's also a somewhat hilarious contrast to those companies who take away your vacation time if you don't use it within a certain time period (often just 1 year).

"It's also a somewhat hilarious contrast to those companies who take away your vacation time if you don't use it within a certain time period"

This is pretty standard in the UK. If you're a permanent employee, your annual leave allowance (e.g. 4-6 weeks of holiday) covers a period of one year. If you don't take that leave during the year, you lose it (you're unlikely to get paid for the untaken leave).

Some companies may allow you to carry over some of that leave to the next year (e.g. a week) or may allow you to "sell" or "buy" some extra leave. However, this normally needs to be done at the start of the annual leave year so requires some pre-planning on the employees part.

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I've seen quite a few reactions to the Netflix unlimited PTO policy that are similar to the reactions to the new Maternity and Paternity policy. Many of these opinions are the likes of: * "I'm suspicious of this." * "No one takes any vacation at Netflix because of this." * "Unlimited == None" * "Peer pressure means that everyone works 52 weeks a year." * "Without a PTO policy you can't cash out unused vacation. This…

> * I take more vacation now than I did when I had 2/3/4/5 weeks a year of stated, paid, vacation.

And how much is that?

When I worked at a BigCo (in Europe), our holidays amounted to around 10 weeks per year. Senior employees (with more than 10 years) would get even more (around 12). Which means you can take a week off every month. Now that is a lot of holidays. And these were enforced, you had to take all of these (for legal reasons, the company has to either pay the holidays to you, or force you to take them, and most of the time financial reasons dictate that it's better if they don't pay you).

Does unlimited vacation cover that?

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I'm highly suspicious of "unlimited" vacation or leave policies because the line between reasonable and not is still there, it's just way less visible and ultimately arbitrary, depending on your management chain and workload. I can't wait for this fad to die. Let's just have generous, well-defined leave policies that don't put the onus on the employee to figure out what is OK and what isn't. "Experience shows people…

The biggest problem with "unlimited vacations" is that companies that offer these kind of policies cannot organize and compute their employees' workloads without using an arbitrary number of holidays, which will probably be set to the minimum.

Your manager will give you yearly (or quarterly) objectives with 10 or 20 days of vacations in mind, so if you use your right to unlimited vacations to take more than that, you will most likely be off your target, and that will be reflected upon your pay raise at yearly review time.

A fixed (and high) number of holidays is the only way to go.

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I'm highly suspicious of "unlimited" vacation or leave policies because the line between reasonable and not is still there, it's just way less visible and ultimately arbitrary, depending on your management chain and workload. I can't wait for this fad to die. Let's just have generous, well-defined leave policies that don't put the onus on the employee to figure out what is OK and what isn't. "Experience shows people…

I'm split on the whole unlimited policy myself. Mostly because I've known people who have sneaked out of work early or sneaked in late. Maybe that could be classified as separate behaviors, but what prevents someone from doing the same thing on this sort of policy? The honor system? I have no doubts in a small firm it would work out because you notice, but in a big company I can't see this working out so much.

Re: Netflix Announces Its New ‘Unlimited’ Maternity and Paternity Leave Program

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I'm highly suspicious of "unlimited" vacation or leave policies because the line between reasonable and not is still there, it's just way less visible and ultimately arbitrary, depending on your management chain and workload. I can't wait for this fad to die. Let's just have generous, well-defined leave policies that don't put the onus on the employee to figure out what is OK and what isn't. "Experience shows people…

I think unlimited with a minimum is really the solution. Without a minimum people are reluctant to take time off from what I've seen and read.

Or maybe it just should be a mandatory minimum number of hours of which PTO should be used either yearly or quarterly (with exceptions)? Unlimited seems a bit odd to me if you have people who often take as much PTO as they can then they're not really working are they? Just an open question.

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What's unethical about taking them at their word that vacation is "unlimited"?

Well, it conflicts for this thing called "work ethic", for one.

According to my dictionary, work ethic is "the principle that hard work is intrinsically virtuous or worthy of reward." I think only a tiny minority of programmers would hold to that.

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How about if it was, "I just had a kid, so I'm going to stay home to raise them, and I'll be back in 18 years, assuming they get into college"?

TFA says the policy is 1 year paid leave, with an option to work (toward promotion/bonus, i assume). not unlimited. Calling it unlimited is just nonsense.

Heh, you're right. I sort of glossed over that.

"With this in mind, today we’re introducing an unlimited leave policy for new moms and dads that allows them to take off as much time as they want during the first year after a child’s birth or adoption."

What kind of idiot writes this nonsense?

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Netflix employee here. I've been at a company that changed vacation policy to unlimited from 20 days [Nvidia] and now at netflix which has the freedom and responsibility culture and unlimited vacation policy quite established in the culture and it's a different experience. During the interview I asked our VP what he thinks of the unlimited vacation policy and his response was along the lines of `When I got back to [f…

Why not just give everyone 6 weeks vacation a year, like a civilized nation, and meter it to avoid politics?

Because US policy is generally pretty worker hostile and few (definitely some) employers have any motivation to change that.
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