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Re: New Court Evidence Reveals Hollywood’s Plan to Smear Google

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Post by sandworm101 » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 7:19 PM UTC

ajross wrote: post #119

sandworm101 wrote: post #115

The MPAA is not "Hollywood" and had not been so for a long time. MPAA current members: Sony, Disney, Fox, Universal, Warner and Paramount. Netflix is not a member. Lionsgate is not a member. You tube is certainly not a member. The MPAA therefore doesn't represent the content industry let alone all of Hollywood. Those writing about the MPAA (Wired) should not take its word as representative of anyone other than its FI…

Uh... Under whose definition are Netflix or Youtube (Google) part of "Hollywood"? The term has always been used to refer to the industry formed by the big traditional studios which were founded in the early part of the century in the Hollywood/Burbank area. Lionsgate might qualify (and I don't know why they aren't in the MPAA), but then they haven't even been around for two decades yet. The MPAA is "Hollywood" for su…

I'd say that Hollywood is the north-American content industry focused around Hollywood California, but including New York, Vancouver and anywhere else where movies and TV is produced. Netflix is a major content producer who uses the same people as the MPAA backers. Youtube doesn't produce content in the same way, but they are very influential having stolen things like Music Videos from the likes of MTV. These non-MPAA entities compete in the same space but have very different opinions than those who support the MPAA.

My point is that the MPAA does not represent these other "Hollywood" content producers and shouldn't be described a representing any content producers beyond the five members.

Re: New Court Evidence Reveals Hollywood’s Plan to Smear Google

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Post by mindslight » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 7:24 PM UTC

ohitsdom wrote: post #108

bkmartin wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why isn't the AG being indicted by the DOJ for this garbage? That is what I want to know. This is the kind of thing that should put someone behind bars and end a political career. Hood has obviously let his power go to his head. The MPAA is a well documented piece of garbage, but the Hood revelation is really where things get scary.

How does he justify being the MPAA's attack dog? Is there a significant movie industry in Mississippi that I am unaware of? If I lived in MS, I'd be pissed and demand answers from this guy. Using tax payer money with no benefit to his state.

Most likely local film production was dangled in front of them. Hollywood is masterful at extracting concessions from distant bumpkins who can't resist the siren song of "as seen on TV" glamor.

Re: New Court Evidence Reveals Hollywood’s Plan to Smear Google

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Post by ajross » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 7:28 PM UTC

sandworm101 wrote: post #121

ajross wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh... Under whose definition are Netflix or Youtube (Google) part of "Hollywood"? The term has always been used to refer to the industry formed by the big traditional studios which were founded in the early part of the century in the Hollywood/Burbank area. Lionsgate might qualify (and I don't know why they aren't in the MPAA), but then they haven't even been around for two decades yet. The MPAA is "Hollywood" for su…

I'd say that Hollywood is the north-American content industry focused around Hollywood California, but including New York, Vancouver and anywhere else where movies and TV is produced. Netflix is a major content producer who uses the same people as the MPAA backers. Youtube doesn't produce content in the same way, but they are very influential having stolen things like Music Videos from the likes of MTV. These non-MPA…

Some advice on argumentation: don't make a point by subverting well-established jargon unless you're really explicit about it. You just confuse everyone involved.

I actually don't disagree with your point exactly (though it's a little spun: original content on Netflix and Youtube represents a tiny, tiny fraction of the eyeball-minutes of the movie industry -- it might get there some day but it's not remotely there yet). But what you were trying to say was completely obscured by your insane-seeming attempt to say that the MPAA doesn't represent the interests of "Hollywood".

Re: New Court Evidence Reveals Hollywood’s Plan to Smear Google

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Post by curiousjorge » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 7:49 PM UTC

mc808 wrote: post #52

curiousjorge wrote: post #18

Hollywood is slowly decaying into irrelevance. This is a sign that they know their days are numbered. People are not going stop pirating, hell the whining and draconian measures to get people to stop pirating their movies makes me want to pirate the shit out of it even more. Plenty of video services like netflix, amazon prime are producing their own quality tv shows that exceed most of the crap movies we get. Everyth…

The threat to Hollywood goes deeper than piracy. Within a few years, video games will be generating photo-realistic feature films on demand, with unique scripts and characters and worlds adapted to the viewer's tastes and mood. Game/movie publishers won't have to worry as much about piracy because they will be selling the service, not the content. (But upload your personalized movie to YouTube and they can monetize t…

few years means if we can get ray tracing and realistic human models (sorry the Coke commercial of Audrey Hepburn I did NOT find realistic at all), which seems unlikely, I'd say give it a a few decades.

Lucasfilm is already experimenting with using video game engines for their film making.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdsFEMDceNg

Would Star Wars fan want Oculus Rift + Haptic Bodysuit + Star Wars world with full ray casting and realistic models?

Re: New Court Evidence Reveals Hollywood’s Plan to Smear Google

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Post by Spivak » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 8:00 PM UTC

venomsnake wrote: post #118

ChuckMcM wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they very much have to toe the line of being "neutral" in their search results as to not enable all the sanctions/remedies that other search engine competitors (like Bing) to have merit. Were they to overtly use their position to "punish" the content companies in this way, they would be jumped on by regulators everywhere for abusing a monopoly power.

Torrent sites downgrade, as searching for torrents were exactly that. Punishing arbitrary sites for no good reason.

The sad reality is that torrent sites don't have large legal teams nor the public favor to win over judges and juries. In the mind of the public and lawmakers, they are punishing the "bad people". Any search provider will be able to continue this practice with impunity as long as they don't target people with real money.

Re: New Court Evidence Reveals Hollywood’s Plan to Smear Google

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Post by rwhitman » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 8:25 PM UTC

olavk wrote: post #91

rwhitman wrote: post #87

Hollywood is an industry that should be very vulnerable to disruption. Even if we ignore the whole digital distribution aspect, there's so much bloat in the overhead cost of producing a film. Everything about the industry is based around croneyism, various inside deals made between established independent contractors on short term contracts with all sorts of padding. Plus overhead for safety & insurance, lots of manu…

Your point about "shooting on location" versus CGI seem absurd to me. A Hollywood production is so much more that just the logistics to shoot on location. It is actors, directors, casting, production design, production management, music, manuscripts, editing etc. All of these things requires a specialized skillset. None of these can be replaces with a server rack. Animation is somewhat different production-wise, but…

Those roles can be outsourced offshore to cheaper labor markets or handed to cheaper (aka non-union) domestic talent markets, which is what I was hinting at. Wasn't really implying that computers can replace creatives. Basically the argument is when you level the geographic playing field, quality creative talent is a cheaper commodity.

Re: New Court Evidence Reveals Hollywood’s Plan to Smear Google

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Post by caskance » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 8:31 PM UTC

venomsnake wrote: post #11

If I were google I would choose a big upcoming multi billion Hollywood film. And just return empty pages while the marketing campaign is roaring. For the star/cast/everything. I would call it piracy prevention program - that way no one will be able to find piracy content trough google.

I would call it "the best opportunity Bing will ever get"

Re: New Court Evidence Reveals Hollywood’s Plan to Smear Google

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Post by caskance » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 8:33 PM UTC

JupiterMoon wrote: post #49

NicoJuicy wrote: post #46

I'm actually wondering how illegal this is? This is trying to influence the stock market and attacking 1 company without "legal" jurification. They are trying to hurt Google's through stock, this IS actually the same as stealing/taking away a billion $ (stockvalue) ... (that should be illegal, isn't it?) They obviously failed before execution, but that shouldn't matter... Does anyone know if Google can use this infor…

It is probably covered by defamation of character law (it would be in the UK at least) or by malicious litigation law.

Hollywood is not in the UK. In the US, true statements are not defamation. There is plenty of damage Hollywood could do to Google purely by telling the truth.

Re: New Court Evidence Reveals Hollywood’s Plan to Smear Google

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Post by TeMPOraL » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 10:20 PM UTC

Mimu wrote: post #45

TeMPOraL wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who will they side with? Google or the people who keep killing their favourite movie streaming and Torrent sites?

Which side, people bringing entertainment to them or the ones destroying any private life they have left?

People bringing entertainment to them or the ones who don't hesitate to literally destroy someone's life over a bunch of copied pop songs or movies?

Truth be told, it really depends on which side has more control over the narrative in the media.

Re: New Court Evidence Reveals Hollywood’s Plan to Smear Google

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Post by gmarx » Tue, Jul 28, 2015, 10:25 PM UTC

lloyd-christmas wrote: post #114

gmarx wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No need to shoot on location? This is how it was done in the studio system from the early days through about the 1970s. The studios were more dominant then. I agree some aspects of film are ripe for disruption but many aspects have already been disrupted multiple times over the years. I'm in the medical industry, which is another field that tech newbies think will be fixed real soon now as hackers turn their attentio…

Rarely to random people say: "Hey, that looks like a good industry to disrupt!" It usually comes from the people that actually work in the industry and have experienced the inefficiencies first-hand. They then work with outsiders to actually implement solutions. I work in med-tech on the tech side. Every CEO of the small companies I deal with have 15+ years in medicine. Almost all of them have experience in both the…

I agree they tend to have insignificant impact but they definitely exist and try. Look for a late 1990s article (I think it was in Wired, maybe rolling stone) about the founding of Healtheon. In it James Clark (My memory anyway) explains that healthcare IT sucks because only dipshits have worked on it so far. Now that a genius like him was getting into, everything would be great.