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Re: How Apple’s iCloud Drive deletes your files without warning

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PEBCAK

(humorous) Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard. Used by technical support helpdesk staff to indicate that the problem with a user’s computer or experience is due to user error.

ps your story reads as the story about the woman microwaving her cat. Just because you did not get the message you should not do it, doesn't make it the microwave manufacturers fault.

Re: How Apple’s iCloud Drive deletes your files without warning

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Isn't this exactly the same thing as someone reported with Google Drive? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6612854

Well, not exactly , since GDrive just moves the files to the Trash, it doesn't delete them immediately. The user had to manually purge the Trash after moving the files. That said, they're both brain-dead UIs, yes.

iCloud only moves to the trash too, see here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9888496

Re: How Apple’s iCloud Drive deletes your files without warning

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See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9888649 The article is wrong. You can recover the files on icloud.com

Perhaps the author is experiencing a bug and you are not. Your inability to replicate the bug does not prove it doesn't exist. Though many helpdesks would take your side.

I'm leaning towards the author just not knowing about the recovery feature.

Not that he/the article is wrong. After all, how good can a recovery feature be if you don't know about it when you need to recover data?

Re: How Apple’s iCloud Drive deletes your files without warning

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Do you have a citation on the deliberately deleting non-iTunes Store music? I've used iTunes since version 3 and updated along the way. I've NEVER had a file deleted (and 95% of my music is non-iTunes Store)

Purely anecdotal, but it happened to me. I had ripped (using iTunes) about 200 CDs I own, over the course of a couple of months of throwing in a CD whenever I wasn't doing anything too important otherwise. These 200 CDs were joined by about 10GB of legally purchased MP3s from sources other than iTunes. In fact, I've only ever bought two albums on the iTunes store. Anyway, some time after I had ripped and cataloged al…

It's happened to me as well, with albums I purchased from iTunes. It may be anecdotal, but I've heard it enough to take it as fact.

Re: How Apple’s iCloud Drive deletes your files without warning

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OS X was mighty fine. It's been getting progressively worse in my opinion.

I don't see anything really worse about it. That's just what people like to say without any quantifiable metrics (usually just with some random data points about this or that bug, but not quantifiably compared to previous releases). Millions of people use it everyday for professional work, including in film and music studios, where stability and timely performance are much more paramount than for some corporate cubic…

> Millions of people use it everyday for professional work, including in film and music studios, where stability and timely performance are much more paramount than for some corporate cubicle running Excel.

This can be said about Windows

Re: How Apple’s iCloud Drive deletes your files without warning

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I've been using OS X for under a year, and I've run into two major problem that, in my opinion, are completely inexcusable. * Trying to save files in Pages/Numbers, I get an error "Cannot save file. File does not exist." (Well of course it doesn't exist, I haven't saved it yet!) Lost several hours of work multiple times because I couldn't save files. And that is a total shit error message. * Trying to move folders on…

> OS X is far more frustrating and useless than any other OS I've ever used. It doesn't give reasonable error messages, and it doesn't keep your stuff safe. It's a confusing minefield. All software sucks. The only reason you think OSX sucks more than other OSs is because you haven't had time to discover the work-arounds for annoying buggy behaviour.

Only on OS X have those bugs involved deleting my data and wasting my money.

Re: How Apple’s iCloud Drive deletes your files without warning

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> The moral is don't use Apple cloud services for anything you care about. The moral is don't trust ANYONE for anything you care about [1]. Especially free services - the free service you use can go under or away in a matter of days. Example: google code. I'm not saying don't use "cloud" services - but always think about what will happen if someone attempts to delete the wrong LUN on some random SAN. [1] http://www.b…

> Especially free services - the free service you use can go under or away in a matter of days. Example: google code. Google Code is a bad example, as it was announced 9 months before the actual closure, and it's pretty easy to take out your data from there. But, I get your point completely.

Well...kind of. When they announced they would be dropping support for downloads - at that point I know it wasn't if but when they were going to shut down google code. Also, if you look at their issue tracker - it's pretty clear there isn't anyone on the other end [1].

I mean I could probably come up with pages of instances where services are changing features, remove features, or go under. Remember Google Wave (I know people in business context that was using it)? How about when Github pulled uploads (but then reintroduced them later as "Releases") [2]?

[1] https://code.google.com/p/support/issues/list?can=2&q=&sort=...

[2] https://github.com/blog/1302-goodbye-uploads

Re: How Apple’s iCloud Drive deletes your files without warning

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post #52

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OS X was mighty fine. It's been getting progressively worse in my opinion.

I don't see anything really worse about it. That's just what people like to say without any quantifiable metrics (usually just with some random data points about this or that bug, but not quantifiably compared to previous releases). Millions of people use it everyday for professional work, including in film and music studios, where stability and timely performance are much more paramount than for some corporate cubic…

So you mean you have some 'quantifiable metrics' when you say OS X is a 'mighty fine' OS?

Re: How Apple’s iCloud Drive deletes your files without warning

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post #78

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I don't see anything really worse about it. That's just what people like to say without any quantifiable metrics (usually just with some random data points about this or that bug, but not quantifiably compared to previous releases). Millions of people use it everyday for professional work, including in film and music studios, where stability and timely performance are much more paramount than for some corporate cubic…

> Millions of people use it everyday for professional work, including in film and music studios, where stability and timely performance are much more paramount than for some corporate cubicle running Excel. This can be said about Windows

So? Windows is pretty solid too, after XP, and especially post Vista.

The main issue with Windows, if there is one nowadays, is some UI cohenrece, not bugs and stability.

Re: How Apple’s iCloud Drive deletes your files without warning

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I don't see anything really worse about it. That's just what people like to say without any quantifiable metrics (usually just with some random data points about this or that bug, but not quantifiably compared to previous releases). Millions of people use it everyday for professional work, including in film and music studios, where stability and timely performance are much more paramount than for some corporate cubic…

"Plus the upcoming release is a "Snow Leopard" like bugfix affair too, which will help things." It is ? You are referring to Yosemite ? Genuinely curious...

No, to El Capitan. It's a bugfix release mostly, with few new features and changes introduced.
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