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Re: Hacking Team hacked, attackers claim 400GB in dumped data

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Post by 542458 »

anc84 wrote: post #108
Fede_V wrote: post #91

I do not want to sound shockingly naive, but I wonder how these people can sleep at night. You've just sold software to some of the most brutal governments in the world, who will use your technology to track down and brutally torture incredibly brave human rights activists. How can you do this, and still get up in the morning while looking at yourself in the mirror? I can understand petty crime if the alternative is…

People who join the US army should be forced to watch videos of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo torture, they should be forced to watch testimonies of people in drone-bombed municipalities. But I am afraid that for many the "we good, they bad" mentality would justify those atrocities. Like another commenter said, who is bad and who is good really depends on your viewpoint.

I think that's a little bit of an excessively simple viewpoint. The US army does much more than Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and drones (in fact, a lot of what you just described is probably managed by agents outside the army such as the CIA). To flip this around, should every employee of a Silicon Valley company be shamed for rising property values in the area that have left many homeless? Should every Google employee be shamed for the illegal wifi capture done by Streetview vans?

Re: Hacking Team hacked, attackers claim 400GB in dumped data

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Post by tptacek »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #48

This is actually really bad, happy as I am to see this company get ruined. People with an agenda are going to latch on to this to further push bad legislation like Wassenar, and criminalize security research, or worse, make it "terrorism", because Soghoian runs his mouth and policy makers don't understand how things really work.

By "runs his mouth", you mean, "says things people like us disagree with"?

This whole "demonize Soghoian" strategy simply isn't working. People who engage in it sound petulant, not persuasive.

My guess is more than half of HN readers would sympathize with his positions.

Re: Hacking Team hacked, attackers claim 400GB in dumped data

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Post by alimbada »

jacquesm wrote: post #76
liviu- wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

His personal twitter got compromised as well http://i.imgur.com/OojV7zc.png Also, various content: https://github.com/hackedteam (repo with their malware source code) https://twitter.com/Viss/status/617950211239837696 http://i.imgur.com/26jLFmH.png (torrent content) http://i.imgur.com/XtVUiI8.png (torrent content) http://i.imgur.com/W4mzsHa.png (emails) http://i.imgur.com/tdAKXFD.jpg (emails) http://i.imgur.com/3ALTF…

That Outlook window has a header labeled 'product activation failed'. http://i.imgur.com/tdAKXFD.jpg

I'm assuming those are screenshots taken by the hacker in which case, it makes sense since activating Office/Outlook will phone home to MS.

Re: Hacking Team hacked, attackers claim 400GB in dumped data

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Post by tptacek »

anc84 wrote: post #108
Fede_V wrote: post #91

I do not want to sound shockingly naive, but I wonder how these people can sleep at night. You've just sold software to some of the most brutal governments in the world, who will use your technology to track down and brutally torture incredibly brave human rights activists. How can you do this, and still get up in the morning while looking at yourself in the mirror? I can understand petty crime if the alternative is…

People who join the US army should be forced to watch videos of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo torture, they should be forced to watch testimonies of people in drone-bombed municipalities. But I am afraid that for many the "we good, they bad" mentality would justify those atrocities. Like another commenter said, who is bad and who is good really depends on your viewpoint.

People who say things like this make it much easier for people who work at places like Gamma and Hacking Team to rationalize what they do.

Re: Hacking Team hacked, attackers claim 400GB in dumped data

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Post by Fede_V »

Ntrails wrote: post #109
Fede_V wrote: post #91

I do not want to sound shockingly naive, but I wonder how these people can sleep at night. You've just sold software to some of the most brutal governments in the world, who will use your technology to track down and brutally torture incredibly brave human rights activists. How can you do this, and still get up in the morning while looking at yourself in the mirror? I can understand petty crime if the alternative is…

You've just sold software to some of the most brutal governments in the world, who will use your technology to track down and brutally torture incredibly brave human rights activists. You make so many assumptions about the viewpoint of the other person and then state that you cannot understand how they behave like this. Of course you cannot, you've phrased the question in a way which doesn't necessarily even make sen…

It's very possible that I've made some unfair assumptions. Could you give me a more fair representation of what goes into the mind of someone selling surveillance software to Sudan or Omar?

Re: Hacking Team hacked, attackers claim 400GB in dumped data

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Post by wmt »

542458 wrote: post #121
anc84 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who join the US army should be forced to watch videos of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo torture, they should be forced to watch testimonies of people in drone-bombed municipalities. But I am afraid that for many the "we good, they bad" mentality would justify those atrocities. Like another commenter said, who is bad and who is good really depends on your viewpoint.

I think that's a little bit of an excessively simple viewpoint. The US army does much more than Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and drones (in fact, a lot of what you just described is probably managed by agents outside the army such as the CIA). To flip this around, should every employee of a Silicon Valley company be shamed for rising property values in the area that have left many homeless? Should every Google employee be…

Rising property values doesn't sound that bad compared to actively helping repressive governments to hunt, torture and murder the people speaking against them.

Re: Hacking Team hacked, attackers claim 400GB in dumped data

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Post by discardorama »

542458 wrote: post #121
anc84 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who join the US army should be forced to watch videos of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo torture, they should be forced to watch testimonies of people in drone-bombed municipalities. But I am afraid that for many the "we good, they bad" mentality would justify those atrocities. Like another commenter said, who is bad and who is good really depends on your viewpoint.

I think that's a little bit of an excessively simple viewpoint. The US army does much more than Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and drones (in fact, a lot of what you just described is probably managed by agents outside the army such as the CIA). To flip this around, should every employee of a Silicon Valley company be shamed for rising property values in the area that have left many homeless? Should every Google employee be…

> should every employee of a Silicon Valley company be shamed for rising property values in the area that have left many homeless?

Property values have nothing to do with homelessness. The roots of homelessness lie in the closure of mental-health facilities all across the US and California. These people need mental health counseling more than anything else.

Re: Hacking Team hacked, attackers claim 400GB in dumped data

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Post by chris_wot »

doki_pen wrote: post #119
bobcostas55 wrote: post #93

Someone is uploading things to github: https://github.com/hackedteam/ Take a look at the GeoTrust repo... This is a very interesting file, too: https://github.com/hackedteam/rcs-common/blob/master/lib/rcs...

Looks like they are actively distributing child pornography. They should be charged.

How do you figure that?
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