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Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by pcai » Mon, Jun 01, 2015, 1:22 PM UTC

themartorana wrote: post #86

kozukumi wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In some ways yes it is the same. However Photos isn't exactly the most important piece of software that comes with your OS. Microsoft are trying to change how people think of their web browser. Edge is very important yet they are launching it without one of the biggest features needed in a modern browser, extension support.

Are they allowed to ship a browser as a core OS feature? I thought that ship had been sunk - in the EU at least.

I believe they have shipped EU-specific versions for years to comply with their mandate

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by ikurei » Mon, Jun 01, 2015, 1:41 PM UTC

7952 wrote: post #30

gnud wrote: post #21

Can you reliably turn off web search from the start menu, and one drive integration, yet?

I have that on Ubuntu and it annoys the hell out of me. No I don't want to wait 0.5 seconds for a search result about Firefox just to open a browser!

You can disable it in about 10 seconds.

Fro memory: press the Meta/Windows key; write "privacy" on the dash; a window with privacy options appears; hit the Search tab, disable the checkbox.

It annoys me that it's there by default and non-technical users will not know how to do anything. There should be an option or warning on the dash itself.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by seanalltogether » Mon, Jun 01, 2015, 1:47 PM UTC

Seeing as the apps they showcased were all desktop and no metro, does this mean the app store will now sell desktop apps going forward? Any word on different sandbox restrictions to go with it?

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by talmand » Mon, Jun 01, 2015, 1:49 PM UTC

yRetsyM wrote: post #73

getsat wrote: post #70

Will there be a way to buy a digital download of it? I recently wanted to bootcamp my Macbook Pro to play some games Windows-only games. I went to Microsoft's website and looked at the options for buying Windows 8. The only options were a retail DVD which would be shipped (and I don't have a DVD drive) or to upgrade from Windows Vista/Windows 7 which I had neither of. I ended up pirating it because I couldn't figure…

You can get a digital download of the Technical Preview now - I'd do that. They've announced that Windows 10 will be free to all Technical Preview participants. That way you can upgrade to the latest version and away you go.

What's the point in that since anybody who currently has Win7/8 can get it free as well?

I suppose there's a number of people running the preview as VM on non-Windows machines?

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by talmand » Mon, Jun 01, 2015, 1:52 PM UTC

mkr-hn wrote: post #97

cyxxon wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but say I upgrade my Win8.1 during the free year. In two years time I want to reinstall. Will there be an option to a. download some Windows 10 installation media so I can do a fresh install, or do I b. always have to first install Win8.1? If it's a, is my Win8.1 license key valid? Did the MS activation server get the memo that I upgraded during the free year? If it is b, will the upgrade from Win8.1 to 10 still…

Windows 8 can be reverted to a freshly installed state from within, so I assume 10 can do that too.

That's not the same thing as starting on a fresh, new, formatted hard drive.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by pbz » Mon, Jun 01, 2015, 1:53 PM UTC

joshuapants wrote: post #104

suvelx wrote: post #64

Is that a 21:9 laptop they used in the demo? I want that one.

Interesting question. Obviously it's a render, but why did they choose those proportions? Tease of new MS hardware?

Kind of looks like XPS 13 with the "bottom" (that has the DELL logo) cut off

http://techranker.net/dell-xps-13-review-pros-and-cons-best-...

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by zanny » Mon, Jun 01, 2015, 1:54 PM UTC

melling wrote: post #80

kozukumi wrote: post #5

I have been running the technical previews since the very start and I have to say I am quite surprised at the July 29th release date. Even today's builds are riddled with problems. They have a lot of work to do if they really think it will be consumer ready by the end of July.

I'm a Mac user so I don't care too much. However, a lot of how Windows 10 will be perceived is from the online perception created. Most people in the world don't care about the little bugs, features, etc. They simply want to know if it's worth getting. If Windows 10 is reasonably good and tons of people upgrade from XP, for example, this will be a huge win for Microsoft and the entire community. If "reviewers" compla…

Unless MS changes their free upgrade policy to be every version of Windows since XP instead of 7 nobody using Vista / XP will upgrade because its expensive.

Though the market share of XP has been dropping. The only real users left are those who don't know what an OS is and only uses it to check AOL in ie6 and businesses who are too stupid to upgrade their horribly dated software.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by _fdyy » Mon, Jun 01, 2015, 1:55 PM UTC

cm2187 wrote: post #84

kozukumi wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like you and I hit a nerve here on HN. You are right though. Microsoft will be shipping Windows 10 with an incomplete version of their new Edge browser with the promise of adding critical features such as extensions in the future. Basically Windows 10 won't really be feature complete RTM for another 6 months. Even if Microsoft want to pretend it is ready now. Edit: To clarify the "hit a nerve" bit, when I wrote…

I would be surprised if they would make such a gamble. The last thing they can afford is another PR disaster with Windows 10. Right now, there is very little incentive for a user to move on from Windows 7 on an existing machine, particularly if it is not touch enabled. Now imagine if they hear that Windows 10 is riddled with bugs and doesn't work.

It may not be perfect at this very moment, but it will get more polished as time goes on. It has to.

The carrot they're dangling is a free upgrade, so think I might take this gamble. I'm not a penny pincher, but even so I cringe at the thought of paying for operating system upgrades.

This opportunity won't last forever, so I'll start with laptops and work my way up.

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by alykhalid » Mon, Jun 01, 2015, 1:56 PM UTC

getsat wrote: post #106

m_t wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is free only if you have a valid Win7/8 licence.

Should I just buy a Windows 7 license to get a free upgrade to Windows 10?

Just install the technical preview and you will be able to upgrade for free. Source http://m.windowscentral.com/windows-insiders-will-be-able-up...

Re: Hello World: Windows 10 Available on July 29

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Post by c0nfused » Mon, Jun 01, 2015, 1:58 PM UTC

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #11

kozukumi wrote: post #5

I have been running the technical previews since the very start and I have to say I am quite surprised at the July 29th release date. Even today's builds are riddled with problems. They have a lot of work to do if they really think it will be consumer ready by the end of July.

Hmm I had the exact opposite experience. It seemed to work pretty flawlessly for me. What type of issues did you experience?

I was not expecting that quick of a release. In the last month, I have encountered enough bugs that I was expecting at least fall. To pick two that sort of highlight the problems:

Unable to set static IP. Appeared to Work in GUI but not actually set.

Touchpad being available every other reboot. Device simply not detected.