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I Quit: What really goes on at Apple

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Re: I Quit: What really goes on at Apple

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Post by pcg79 »

colechristensen wrote: post #42

Apple has, what, a hundred thousand employees? If you expect none of them to be intolerable nuts, you have a problem with scale. The thing is, if you're unsatisfied with your job, equating your personal experience with the entire company as a whole, and going on a long name-calling rant shows you as rather unprofessional yourself. I don't doubt that some Apple managers are jerks.

The problem isn't when it's "some ... managers". It's when you can't go to anyone for help with those managers. Sounds like it the problem went up at least another level. That's a problem and nothing anyone should be defending.

Re: I Quit: What really goes on at Apple

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Post by dennisnedry »

sdab wrote: post #37
vdnkh wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Usually home by 8 or 9pm I assume they got into work at 8 or 9am? That's terrible. I'm really glad that I work a standard 8 hour day at my small no-name company.

When I worked there, it was 12pm-8pm. My friends who work there now do the same. We just get to make our own hours and being in my twenties, I like sleeping in.

I have the same schedule now. It's much better since you avoid the crazy traffic of the typical 9-to-5'ers and getting to sleep in is the best thing ever.

Re: I Quit: What really goes on at Apple

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Post by jjtheblunt »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #110
MrNobody wrote: post #60

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From my understanding Apple effectively owns your entire output when you're employed full-time (at least as an engineer). At a recent interview I mentioned I like tinkering with code on the side and was told I'd have to give that up and stop contributing to open source. I imagine that extends to participation in the "outside world" at least to some extent. The fact that Apple developers I've spoken to spend their per…

From my understanding, it's effectively impossible for Apple employees to have any apps listed in the App Store through personal accounts. Which, no doubt, accounts for a lot of the reason why the Xcode -> iTunes Connect -> App Store experience is so miserable.

That's the rule.

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Post by bdcravens »

erickt wrote: post #80
codezero wrote: post #57

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Do you, by chance, have a list of those exceptional cases? I'd love to learn more! edit: thanks everyone for these replies they're great, keep them coming!

Zappos built their brand on high quality customer service: http://www.businessinsider.com/zappos-customer-service-crm-2...

Zappos has given me one of my best customer service experiences ever. $135 sandals, pit-lab puppy chewed one of them (only a chunk, still wearable). I emailed them asking if I could buy one sandal... they actually sent me a new pair, told me to keep the old ones, and even upgraded me to their premium class where it's free one-day shipping. I never hesitate to recommend them to everyone.

Re: I Quit: What really goes on at Apple

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Post by bbcbasic »

nostrademons wrote: post #14

One of my friends used to work at Apple. After one particular grueling stint of 14+ hour days, management decided to give them a thank-you. In the form of vouchers. For frozen dinners. Meanwhile, all of his friends worked for Google, we got gourmet food every meal of the week as a standard perk, and we were usually home by 8 or 9 PM rather than midnight. It's sorta like "Your 'thank you' is really more like a giant '…

And really Google's thank you is a fuck you. Try working in Europe or Australia: none of that 9pm nonsense. That is when I go to sleep after spending time with my family.

Edit: OK I see from other comments that those Googlers are doing 12pm to 9pm and it is flexible so doesn't sound so bad.

Re: I Quit: What really goes on at Apple

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Post by bbcbasic »

throwaway6497 wrote: post #107
nostrademons wrote: post #14

One of my friends used to work at Apple. After one particular grueling stint of 14+ hour days, management decided to give them a thank-you. In the form of vouchers. For frozen dinners. Meanwhile, all of his friends worked for Google, we got gourmet food every meal of the week as a standard perk, and we were usually home by 8 or 9 PM rather than midnight. It's sorta like "Your 'thank you' is really more like a giant '…

With this negative image among developers in the Valley, how is Apple able to attract top quality engineers? They probably are not. Anecdotally, I still haven't met one single engineer who would love to work for Apple though they love using Apple products. Apple is not even on the list of all top graduating kids who wants a job in top valley firms (Google, FB, Dropbox, Twitter, AirBnB, Uber, Pinterest, LinkedIn, Quor…

Yes the silver fox is IT's best kept secret.

Re: I Quit: What really goes on at Apple

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Post by astrodust »

serve_yay wrote: post #108
archagon wrote: post #69

In "Becoming Steve Jobs", Tim Cook says the following in regards to Apple's collusion scandal: "I know where Steve's head was. He wasn't doing anything to hold down salaries; it never came up. He had a simple objective: if we were working together on something, like with Intel, where we threw everything in the middle of the table and said, 'let's convert the Mac to the Intel processor', well, when we did that, we did…

That quote is so nuts! He didn't think for a minute he was doing anything wrong. That's supposed to make me feel better ? I agree with you, the way these rich people look at employees as chess pieces rather than humans is awful. If you're so afraid of someone quitting, then address that by making it worth their while not to quit! Not with collusion for god's sake. The fact that they call someone getting a better job…

The optimal arrangement for both companies is no poaching.

As soon as someone pulls the trigger and starts poaching it gets exponentially more expensive for these companies to operate.

This is the Prisoner's Dilemma, plain and simple.

Re: I Quit: What really goes on at Apple

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Post by abawany »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #81

The most interesting stories about Apple, or Amazon, or a few others, cannot be told in public. Most of these former employees feel legally threatened by their former employers, and that's what prevents them from sharing more. I wish there was a way.

Glassdoor makes for interesting reading :).

Re: I Quit: What really goes on at Apple

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Post by eastbayjake »

throwaway6497 wrote: post #107
nostrademons wrote: post #14

One of my friends used to work at Apple. After one particular grueling stint of 14+ hour days, management decided to give them a thank-you. In the form of vouchers. For frozen dinners. Meanwhile, all of his friends worked for Google, we got gourmet food every meal of the week as a standard perk, and we were usually home by 8 or 9 PM rather than midnight. It's sorta like "Your 'thank you' is really more like a giant '…

With this negative image among developers in the Valley, how is Apple able to attract top quality engineers? They probably are not. Anecdotally, I still haven't met one single engineer who would love to work for Apple though they love using Apple products. Apple is not even on the list of all top graduating kids who wants a job in top valley firms (Google, FB, Dropbox, Twitter, AirBnB, Uber, Pinterest, LinkedIn, Quor…

Acqui-hires, amigo... swallow a company, fire the bottom 10%, give the rest offers, see who sticks around after 1-2 years. They're gobbling up companies so fast that they're running out of office space to house them all.
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