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Meteor 1.1 Released – Now Supporting Microsoft Windows and MongoDB 3.0

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Re: Meteor 1.1 Released – Now Supporting Microsoft Windows and MongoDB 3.0

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I think I might give Meteor a shot. For a long time I have been working with AngularJS and Node.js. Recently I have been working exclusively with React.js + Flux and Node.js to build isomorphic web applications. I like the fact Meteor is isomorphic by default and comes with everything you need. I have always somewhat seen it as this outlier, a great looking framework but lacking the same vocality that Facebook and Go…

> I like the fact Meteor is isomorphic by default and comes with everything you need. Meteor is kind of isomorphic, but not in a very useful way. It does not do server-side rendering unless you include the hacky phantomjs module, last I checked.

Use React and route-core packages. You don't have to rely on Blaze for rendering.

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I get an astroturfing vibe from Meteor. Coming from the consulting world, I have seen this too many times from entities with vested commercial interests. For this reason I always withhold any opinion until real world experience checks in from someone trusted.

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Re: Meteor 1.1 Released – Now Supporting Microsoft Windows and MongoDB 3.0

#123

here's my question for those building their 'app' 'startup' with meteor.js what does it accomplish for you that normal server rendered framework doesn't do for you? when you build a meteor.js app you need phantomjs to get it indexed...it won't work on older browsers....the list goes on I just have trouble justifying why I would need to write my next app using meteor.js

I literally just published a post that tries to answer this question :) https://www.airpair.com/meteor/posts/choose-meteor-for-your-...

Re: Meteor 1.1 Released – Now Supporting Microsoft Windows and MongoDB 3.0

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I get an astroturfing vibe from Meteor. Coming from the consulting world, I have seen this too many times from entities with vested commercial interests. For this reason I always withhold any opinion until real world experience checks in from someone trusted.

A little over a year ago I did an experiment. I had coded up a small rich client web app in Clojure + Clojurescript (which I love, and use a lot!). I then spent the same time rewriting in Meteor, except that I ended up spending much less time and got a lot more functionality in the Meteor version.

I really recommend that you try it.

I hope for really good Clojurescript support in Metoer. I tried it last week, the Clojurescript support only supported older Meteor 0.9* versions, and I had problems. It is on my radar to keep checking the Clojurescript support. I also tried the TypeScript Meteor support, but didn't spend much time with it.

Re: Meteor 1.1 Released – Now Supporting Microsoft Windows and MongoDB 3.0

#125

I get an astroturfing vibe from Meteor. Coming from the consulting world, I have seen this too many times from entities with vested commercial interests. For this reason I always withhold any opinion until real world experience checks in from someone trusted.

Absolutely, I made a comment making a similar point when they hit 1.0

The Meteor marketing team seems to want to entrench themselves in every naive tech company they can and I can't believe that there could be so many Meteor users here with enough experience to comment so stridently on it.

My experience with Meteor was that my current company hired someone (who is/was literally writing a book on Meteor) to be the lead dev and they built a whole dashboard application in Meteor.

I arrived 6 months later and began working with them on that application and another Express app that they flat-out refused to touch.

I found that though Meteor was easy to pickup and figure out at a surface level, that it got very complex very fast when you started down the path of making a large application with lots of moving parts. Performance was terrible and there were always strange quirks and assumptions that Meteor would make that needed to be worked around later (one instance was their use of random string _ids in mongo which weren't valid ObjectIds).

Meteor tries to do everything for you and when you want to do something different, you have to go find some esoteric knowledge to hack around some core architecture or pattern. They don't play well with others and any questions or criticisms I had for this Meteor evangelist usually resulted in abstract arguments that boiled down to me needing to change my entire way of thinking about web apps to work with it effectively.

One of my arguments was "hey, where are all the other meteor devs? what happens if you leave or get hit by a bus?" which was also deflected somehow or made to sound ridiculous...

4 months later they leave to start their own consulting company and try to get themselves hired as an outside consultant for whatever rate.

I rewrote the entire application with a MEAN stack in 6 weeks with more features, better performance and a decoupled architecture and we've never looked back.

Admiral Ackbar would recognize Meteor for what it truly is... but unless you've got a Jedi or 2 on your team you'll want to be double and triple checking your needs before moving forward with Meteor.

Re: Meteor 1.1 Released – Now Supporting Microsoft Windows and MongoDB 3.0

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I made a snapshot on Terminal.com which lets you try Meteor 1.1 in seconds. Check it out here: https://www.terminal.com/snapshot/be98f98eece7e102bab130b91d... This boots a CentOS 6 box running Meteor 1.1. It's also running on Terminal so you can snapshot your progress anytime you want (or resize to a bigger machine without rebooting too).

How do I navigate to `my_cool_app`? Do I need to change the apache configuration, or symlink into `/var/www/html`, or what?

If you go back it's in /root

Re: Meteor 1.1 Released – Now Supporting Microsoft Windows and MongoDB 3.0

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post #126

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How do I navigate to `my_cool_app`? Do I need to change the apache configuration, or symlink into `/var/www/html`, or what?

If you go back it's in /root

Yes, but how do I open it in a browser? Browsing to `localhost:80` obviously only goes to the pre-configured default page from apache.

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I'm curious what startups or big companies are using Meteor in production

My custom packaging startup Packlane ( http://packlane.com ) uses Meteor. Really grateful for this update since the old Mongo version had some major issues.

Unable to connect to any application instances.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you getting hung up on the most?

I've been wanting to get into nodejs but haven't touched javascript in years and have been put off by the hassle of having to go through it again tbh.

So much easier when these frameworks are new and light, and the underlying languages are not changing at light speed...I'm with you.

Re: Meteor 1.1 Released – Now Supporting Microsoft Windows and MongoDB 3.0

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I get an astroturfing vibe from Meteor. Coming from the consulting world, I have seen this too many times from entities with vested commercial interests. For this reason I always withhold any opinion until real world experience checks in from someone trusted.

Absolutely, I made a comment making a similar point when they hit 1.0 The Meteor marketing team seems to want to entrench themselves in every naive tech company they can and I can't believe that there could be so many Meteor users here with enough experience to comment so stridently on it. My experience with Meteor was that my current company hired someone (who is/was literally writing a book on Meteor) to be the lea…

Sorry you had a bad experience with the developer.

However, there is no such thing as the "Meteor marketing team". Meteor doesn't employ any marketing people (yet). Anyone talking enthusiastically about Meteor is just genuinely excited about it.

I'm curious to hear specific examples of esoteric concepts that you had a tough time with. In my experience, Meteor is the opposite of esoteric and actually very easy to work with, even as application complexity increases. If you can outline your issues, maybe we can try to address them. Thanks!

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