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My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

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Re: My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

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They get it wrong because no one knows how to do it right. Actually...evaluating human knowledge and behavior into a bunch of 1 hour interview slots doesn't lead to much accurate information.

But no one seems to spend time on trying to figure out how to do it right or even how well the current methods perform.

Studying people is much harder than doing math proofs or experimenting with chemicals.

Re: My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

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In some ways they have similarities with social dates, first dates. You can feel a bit nervous, might feel intimidated; did you say the right things, did you handle yourself well. Everyone says, be yourself. It's the same for job interviews, be yourself. Be prepared, show interest, don't be overconfident, etc. And like first dates, you can do all the right things, etc. And you think things went well, but, you find ou…

"Be yourself" is a very weird piece of advice, and very often the wrong thing to do. Do you want an offer? Don't be yourself: be who they need. If it requires you to be a bit different from who you are, so be it. Once you get the offer, the power structure changes: you're the one in control. You're the one now faced with the tyranny of choice. This is when you can decide whether accepting this job would be at odds wi…

I get what you're saying.

My point is when you're interviewing, do your thing, show them what you have, show them your capabilities, your dedication, vision, whatever, using your way --using 'zak_mc_krackens'' style is not going to work for me, because I will not wear it well. I won't do your technique justice. Sure, over time, one learns how to refine interviewing skills/technique, but we do it in our own 'voices'.

Don't over think it. As I said, you can do everything just right, but for whatever reason, they pick someone else. They may even consciously come to regret their decision --just like in dating. Interviewing and dating are more art than science. Sure, be prepared, show your stuff, but none of that guarantees landing the job. So there is no reason to beat yourself up for not getting the job.

Re: My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

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About two years ago I was fast-tracked to interviews at Apple via recommendation. About 9 interviews later over 4 spread-out days, I was told I had done quite well during the interview process. Eventually I was not given the position because I was holding a beer in my LinkedIn picture. They ended up paying my current employer (their vendor at the time) astronomical amounts of money to do the very same service, done b…

Is there more legitimacy/recourse to pay another company for services than to hire an employee (with the skill to back it up) to do the same work in-house? That level of indirection sounds inefficient...

Re: My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

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About two years ago I was fast-tracked to interviews at Apple via recommendation. About 9 interviews later over 4 spread-out days, I was told I had done quite well during the interview process. Eventually I was not given the position because I was holding a beer in my LinkedIn picture. They ended up paying my current employer (their vendor at the time) astronomical amounts of money to do the very same service, done b…

Was it like a Miller Lite or some other macro beer? If so then I can totally understand their rationale.

Poe's law in effect here.

Re: My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

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I'm not prepared to get into my experiences at Apple much beyond the surface level that I touched upon, for a few reasons, but I left for the same reason everybody does. I was offered a career-advancing opportunity to prepend senior to my title and help build out a small startup that's going places and really making a name for themselves. Apple, like Google, has already "won" (for lack of a better word) and while a p…

I have never been able to distinguish whether the subtext is "I hated my job and left as soon as I got the chance" with "I loved my job and only left because I got something even better".

Often, one of those is true on Tuesday and the other on Thursday. Our emotional connection to our experiences is dynamic and inconsistent.

Re: My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

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What were the bad things about working at Apple? Why did you leave?

I'm not prepared to get into my experiences at Apple much beyond the surface level that I touched upon, for a few reasons, but I left for the same reason everybody does. I was offered a career-advancing opportunity to prepend senior to my title and help build out a small startup that's going places and really making a name for themselves. Apple, like Google, has already "won" (for lack of a better word) and while a p…

I am the kind of person who likes to work with small but effective teams. I like people who are willing to go the extra mile to build something cool and advanced. Although i haven't been to Google, Apple, etc but i think these companies do not leave enough room for people to explore new cool technologies to work in, which is pretty much all you do in startups.

So i'll always go with a smaller and effective team than being part of a very big company where my role is more or less insignificant.

Re: My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

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I notice several comments about culture fit and not clicking with interviewers, but it's worth keeping in mind that there isn't always a "reason" for not getting an offer. Not related to the candidate, that is. Job openings sometimes disappear for random internal reasons, or there may have been another candidate for the same position who was objectively a much better fit. I feel you have to look at job interviews lik…

This exact thing happened to me today. I applied for a Developer position back in the summer (not at Apple) and after a great phone interview I never heard back. Today, more than 7 months later I got a call out of the blue saying the position was just advertised again and they were really disappointed I didn't apply (I didn't see it) apparently my resume was great and I scored really high on the phone interview (who…

Did they plan on making you an offer after just a phone screen and a reference check? If they still planned on doing an in-person I wouldn't let them go near my references until the very last step.

Re: My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

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I believe you, but they actually admitted that was the reason?

not really. I had a close contact part of the process who revealed this to me.

Probably couldn't have hurt to reach out to the recruiter and/or hiring manager and make a personal case for yourself.

Re: My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

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Note: after 25 minutes answering questions for a job you really want it’s kinda hard to shift to a question-asking mode. When I was looking for a job I found that it helped enormously to write down a set of questions ahead of time. Some I liked: What does a typical day look like for you? What projects do you work on? How long have you been at $company? How has your role changed since then? If I were hired for this ro…

I usually just ask the questions from the Joel Test. If they score high enough I get to other questions specific to their company.

Back to OP: I personally don't see myself working for a place that needs to talk to me for more than 1 hr before making a decision. If they take this long to decide on a hire, imagine how long and grueling are their technology decisions.

Re: My experience of interviewing for a job at Apple

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"Be yourself" is misleading advice, there are a bunch of things you need to do in an interview that aren't natural for anybody.

It depends on how you want to interpret "yourself". Our selves have very many facets. We have the at-home facet, the with-friends, the one at-work, the one in front of a court. They are all our self. It basically means be natural for the face you're putting on. Don't over do it. Don't construct something overly elaborate such that it misrepresents you and it becomes apparent. Don't over think it.

I don't have a "write some algorithm in 15 minutes" self because I never do it at my job, but here I am, trying to rush an implementation on a whiteboard.
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