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Post by dredmorbius »

jerf wrote: post #90
Fuxy wrote: post #73

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Patrion is a good idea however a better one would be if you could pay £0.01 - £0.05 (pick your currency) per you-tube video watched and not have any ads shown. Right now everybody in analitics is thinking in the millions of impressions but imagine if you could make £0.05 per impression. That would be £50,000 per million views. I wouldn't mind just having a few pounds on my youtube account and using that to avoid seei…

Microtransactions have had implementations of various sorts for about two decades now. Patronage has had implementations for about two years now. Patronage is probably already ten times the size of microtransactions, and I suspect I'm being an order of magnitude or two generous on the side of microtransactions there. My conclusion: Patronage may work, microtransactions do not. One possibly reason is that advertising…

"Patronage is probably already ten times the size of microtransactions"

Any data / sources to back that assertion?

Re: Yahoo Homepage – Now Featuring Extra-Scammy Scams

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Post by dredmorbius »

antihero wrote: post #34
bambax wrote: post #24

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> 99% of online advertisers give the rest a bad name So true; remove "online" from the sentence above and it's even truer. > it's why we hugely and desperately and badly need to find another way of paying for content Not sure about that. Here are the ways I can think of we gain access to content: - by directly paying for it (books, movies, etc.) - by indirectly paying for it (ad supported newspapers articles and such…

What would be interesting is a sort of all-content-subscription - you pay X per month, and it's divvied up between the providers/owners of whatever you use. Kind of like a tax, but actually related to usage. Would be very difficult to have the trust and integration required for it to work though.

That's pretty much my proposal, though with a few caveats.

It's a flat fee. That is, you're paying the same whether you fetch a single work or 10,000. Aaron Swartz's mass document mining would be supported. If you're interested in large-scale literature analysis, it's possible.

It's scaled to income / wealth. Information is part of what makes the system in which you're living possible. If the system's rewarded you, you reward the system back. Hence the tax element. Possibly scaling to some sort of connectivity plan might accomplish a similar aspect via price discrimination (of the old-school multi-tier service offering model, not the new-school hit-them-with-hidden-fees approach).

There are tiers of compensation. Pumping out white noise / easy-to-generate content doesn't necessarily buy you high compensation. Detailed scientific / journalistic work does. Penalties for inaccuracy in genres where accuracy matters, especially against deliberate distortion.

Implementation is the tricky bit.

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Post by dredmorbius »

mbesto wrote: post #59

My favorites are Taboola and Outbrain who basically do this as a turnkey service. They've both received $99m+ in funding... As as a user, I've never seen these as remotely valuable. https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/taboola https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/outbrain

"Favorites" in what sense? As in "favorite to hate"?

I block both within CSS (I use a stylesheet manager) and may well block the hosts / domains they feed from.

They're absolutely worthless.

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Post by blueskin_ »

Fuxy wrote: post #119
discardorama wrote: post #101

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> With such a proposal! Isn't UK the place where you have to pay license fees to watch television? Those fees are then used to support outfits like BBC. So it isn't a far stretch to imagine a similar broadband tax. I'm not supporting the tax; I'm just saying that to someone who grew up in the UK with a "license fee" model of television, a broadband tax isn't an intellectual leap, it just feels like an extension.

True that's a weird way of doing things it's practically state/tax sponsored television owned by "the public". Plus I think you don't have to pay the fee if you can show that you don't own a television. Not certain I agree with that model either. Something about the person paying it not having a choice always rubs me the wrong way. Why do i have to pay if I don't watch the BBC or download pirated stuff.

Yeah, it's messed up. Easy enough to avoid by saying you either don't have a TV, or have one but don't use it to watch broadcast TV though.
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