Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Firefox Hello

mozilla.org

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

121–130 of 239 posts

Re: Firefox Hello

#121

Post by siddboots »

pekk wrote: post #116
windlep wrote: post #97

Since no one realizes that Mozilla actually develops stuff in the open (vs. code/project-dumps like Google after its 'done'), here's the Mozilla project page for Hello (previously called Loop): https://wiki.mozilla.org/Loop A bunch of the hypothetical questions here on HN could be answered easily by skimming over this page and some of the pages linked in. Edit: I'm not suggesting its bad or good to get a project to a…

I don't have any problem with people making open source projects and then publishing them once they are finished. It's still open source.

It is open source, but there are different models of project development. In particular, there is a lot of nuance in your term "once they are finished".

If a company periodically dumps a large project tree online but continues the development and management behind closed doors, it makes it very difficult anyone else to make use of or build upon the source without forking it completely (and forking has its own risks).

This is why windlep is pointing out that Mozilla "develops in the open", as opposed to being merely open source.

Re: Firefox Hello

#122

Post by dorfsmay »

Is the connection peer to peer once established?

Btw, I tried hello a couple of weeks ago and it felt like voice/video over the net 5 or 6 years ago, no proper echo cancelation, similar to the old video plugin in pidgin. Also, there is no text IM.

Re: Firefox Hello

#123

Post by shmerl »

When is anyone going to make a pure WebRTC service for calling phone lines that would work in the browser? All existing ones require some native code plugins. Not sure why no one made such service yet.

Re: Firefox Hello

#125

Post by click170 »

siddboots wrote: post #121
pekk wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have any problem with people making open source projects and then publishing them once they are finished. It's still open source.

It is open source, but there are different models of project development. In particular, there is a lot of nuance in your term "once they are finished". If a company periodically dumps a large project tree online but continues the development and management behind closed doors, it makes it very difficult anyone else to make use of or build upon the source without forking it completely (and forking has its own risks).…

Nitpick: I don't think there's anything wrong with a closed development model and open sourcing the result, but IMO it's not open source until the code is available. If you're starting a project with this intention, I don't think it's really Open Source until your first code dump is publicly accessible - at which point, go nuts with branding it Open Source.

I also don't think it's unfair to do code dumps, if the code is available then job done. Other projects provide additional hand holding, but in my opinion that's a feature that the original authors have the freedom to choose to not implement.

I'm really pleased that Mozilla have chosen an open development model.

Re: Firefox Hello

#126

Post by toolz »

thesumofall wrote: post #120
BSousa wrote: post #6

I saw the tag line, liked what I saw until "powered by Telefonica". Seriously, I've lived in more than half of the European countries for a while, and never ever EVER saw such a shitty internet service as in Spain over their network. Lack of service for hours every day, substandard speeds... It made me anticipate a move to Portugal by one year because of their shitty service.

I'm actually shocked by seeing Telefonica being able to so obviously placing their brand inside Firefox. I think it will seriously undermine peoples' trust into what is supposed to be an "independent" browser. Yes, people on HN know that Mozilla is since many years dependent on the sponsorship of Google et al. but having such obvious advertising?? Come on, Mozilla!

Would you rather Mozilla pretend to be a company that doesn't need funding? I'm not understanding what a better alternative would look like.

Re: Firefox Hello

#127

Post by gcb0 »

pekk wrote: post #116
windlep wrote: post #97

Since no one realizes that Mozilla actually develops stuff in the open (vs. code/project-dumps like Google after its 'done'), here's the Mozilla project page for Hello (previously called Loop): https://wiki.mozilla.org/Loop A bunch of the hypothetical questions here on HN could be answered easily by skimming over this page and some of the pages linked in. Edit: I'm not suggesting its bad or good to get a project to a…

I don't have any problem with people making open source projects and then publishing them once they are finished. It's still open source.

If you had contributed to chromium for weeks, and then google come with it's monthly dump and overwritten everything you and others did in the open, you would have a different opinion.

Re: Firefox Hello

#128

Post by toolz »

mkal_tsr wrote: post #99

I've updated my user.js helper/repo to disable Hello/"codename Loop" - https://github.com/m-kal/PrivatePanda ----- Dear Mozilla, Firefox is a browser. Can you please stop with the feature creep? That'd be lovely. Remember, you're a browser, not an operating system. Oh, you'd like to be an operating system? Cool, then make an OS (o hai there Firefox OS) and keep that functionality there. Stop adding extra features tha…

You realize this is just a fancy bookmark, right? Lynx has bookmarks, too.

Re: Firefox Hello

#130

Post by rdtsc »

pnathan wrote: post #48
BSousa wrote: post #6

I saw the tag line, liked what I saw until "powered by Telefonica". Seriously, I've lived in more than half of the European countries for a while, and never ever EVER saw such a shitty internet service as in Spain over their network. Lack of service for hours every day, substandard speeds... It made me anticipate a move to Portugal by one year because of their shitty service.

I am bummed - I was hoping it was just straight up peer to peer video. Why do we need an intermediary?

How does your browser plan on accessing or seeing its "peers"?
Post reply on HN