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Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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I think Google alienated too much people (see the whatsapp case) now they're trying to get founders of startups onboard rather than people that go through their dog and pony show.

What happened with WhatsApp? I hadn't heard anything about this.

http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-rejected-whatsapp-co...

(He was also rejected by twitter)

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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A lot of recruiters at Google are temps and will lie through they're teeth in order to get candidates interested. Google still has a reputation of being an amazing workplace. This, however, is becoming less and less true. Just last week Victoria Lease resigned after months of sexual harassment without any consequence for the perpetrators. There are much better places to work for then Google these days. Disclaimer: I…

> Just last week Victoria Lease resigned after months of sexual harassment without any consequence for the perpetrators. I find this hard to believe because if you are smart enough to work at Google then you should be smart enough to know your rights. If the harassment is persistent and comes from multiple perpetrators then she can build a timeline to show HR, a lawyer, or the EEOC.

Careful how you connect the dots. Yes, building a timeline and bringing in EEOC is one option. But then your identify for the next 1 to 5 years is defined by your harassment case. At the very least, you've got a big new time demand that may impede your ability to focus 100% on your next job. At the worst, you're seen as an angry litigant that no one else wants to hire.

It's a nasty world out there. Such unwelcome outcomes explain why many smart people with legitimate grounds for pressing charges ... choose not to do so.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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This is actually a good example of how to fumble a decent exit for a struggling app. This was written in April 2014 so we have the benefit of hindsight for evaluating this claim: "I’ve already built an £X million company in this area that was limited to the UK & Ireland; this time it’s global and I can easily get to twice £X million" Based on the number of reviews for roomscan I'm going to guess that getting to "twic…

Suppose X was 6 and the author believed there was a p1 > 0.2 probability of exiting for "twice £X million" and a p2 > 0.2 of being offered less than $2M for the acquisition.

This places the value of not selling at >= £2.4 million and the value of the sale at Then consider the opportunity cost of going to work for Google for a serial entrepreneur. There may be a 0.8 probability of $250k/year for four years. But that comes at the price of not developing a startup with the potential for a fuck-you money exit.

The hindsight we have doesn't include an assessment of the toll of relocating from the North UK to Silicon Valley with a spouse and children while leaving behind family, friends and community.

In the end, if you're looking for a $2,000,000 exit. You're not really founding a startup. There's nothing wrong with that. But "startup" in the sense that people like PG use it is not the right term.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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For a period I was heavily recruited by google. Their recruiters tried a great many variations of attempts to trick me into interviewing for a job. It seems weird that they would do this, because pretty soon, it would become obvious that it was a job interview and nothing more. Maybe there are a lot of talented engineers out there who are doing startups but aren't really committed to them and google manages via the f…

"What's wrong with this country? Can't a man walk down the street without being offered a job!?"

Sure, it's a VERY extreme example of "First World Problems" or whatever the meme is, but do you want a job when the offer is a con from the start? What kind of relationship with your employer does that create?

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

#125

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A lot of recruiters at Google are temps and will lie through they're teeth in order to get candidates interested. Google still has a reputation of being an amazing workplace. This, however, is becoming less and less true. Just last week Victoria Lease resigned after months of sexual harassment without any consequence for the perpetrators. There are much better places to work for then Google these days. Disclaimer: I…

> Just last week Victoria Lease resigned after months of sexual harassment without any consequence for the perpetrators. I find this hard to believe because if you are smart enough to work at Google then you should be smart enough to know your rights. If the harassment is persistent and comes from multiple perpetrators then she can build a timeline to show HR, a lawyer, or the EEOC.

Have you ever been harassed? It's a much deeper situation than being aware of your rights, etc. And, if you assume that working at Google means you're smart, it means her harassers are just as smart as she is, and also aware of what her possible course of action may be.

(I don't know anything about Victoria Lease's situation, just this response had hints of victim blaming)

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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I think there's an either-or fallacy here, it could have been an attempt at an acqui-hire, but when the people talking to him tried to push it through, other people reviewed the situation and decided just to offer a generous employment package. Consider, a single-engineer company with an interesting app and talented engineer, just how much do you expect to be acquired for? Recognize that a $1M-2M offer is about what…

All right I'll bite. How, exactly, does an engineer make $250-500k a year at Google as an engineer? What examples are there of this happening?

For mid-career (Senior SDE) position it will look like Salary 165k-195k Bonus (15%) 26k Stock grant: 200k-400k over 4 years You will get refreshers so after 2-3 years you may have $100-200k stocks vesting every year.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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$2M is basically a large signing bonus. I think for most companies, like Google, FB, et al, something like $2M doesn't even need board signoff, it's basically a restricted stock grant as a bonus with clawback provisions.

Is it a common occurence to get a 1M+ signing bonus at Google or FB?

I'm speaking of a bonus obtained through a corp-dev situation, in lieu of an actual acquisition. I don't know how common it is in general recruitment.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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I get the impression there's an epidemic of big companies trying to "poach startup founders from themselves."

I posted this to the other thread, and I now see that my experience is perhaps tame compared to others.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8876561

Like someone else quipped: "oh no! seems like you can't walk down the street today without being aggressively offered a job!" There are worse problems to have. :P

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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An "acqui-hire" is the process of acquiring a team that you know works well together and is capable of putting out a product and probably has relevant domain knowledge, without going through the traditional process of finding generally competent people, throwing them in a room, and seeing if they can get something done. If it's a solo founder, and especially if they're not being recruited to work on a similar sort of…

There's a crucial difference. Acquihires are typically at a much higher price, one reason being that other investors often need to be taken care of for the founder to leave on good terms. The corpdev/recruiter even mentioned $2M as a maximum figure. That's not exactly a typical engineering signing bonus.

It's not a typical engineering signing bonus, but it's far from unheard of.

Re: Hi, It’s Google Corporate Development

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Does anyone have similar experiences with Google?

The few times I've interviewed with Google (plain old job interviews, not as an acquisition or acqui-hire), they've always been pretty arrogant. Enough so that I wouldn't interview with them again if they contacted me. The attitude is clearly, "You're going to jump through our hoops and do what we say, because we're Google and we're totally awesome and we can take you or leave you." I don't know if the guy in this st…

I actually really enjoyed the interview process with Google. It was expeditious and respectful. It was, however, clear they are not used to taking "No" for an answer, and that's when things got a little uncomfortable.
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