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The Best Investment Advice You'll Never Get (2008)

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Re: The Best Investment Advice You'll Never Get (2008)

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It's not about "beating the market." It's about retail investors underperforming professional asset managers AND underperforming the market. Tell me this: Other than reducing basis, what can you do to increase your chances of success in an investment? If success is defined as "not losing money"? One way to reduce basis is by selling covered calls on your stock positions, limiting potential profit but adding no additi…

Retail investors on average underperform the market, yes. Retail investors who only invest in index funds tie with the market (pretty much by definition) and those who think they can beat it drag the average down. You're generalizing over a group that has no homogeneity. > You and retail investors as a class have been scared into thinking that it's "riskier" to spend $300 on a call spread in Tesla than it is to go ou…

Ok, forget TSLA: Why is it less risky to buy 100 shares of SPY (at around the same $20k as TSLA) vs a $300 call spread on SPY? How can it POSSIBLY be riskier to spend $300 vs $20,000?

I'm sorry man, you don't get it, but you're sure that you do, and you're so sure that you can't be wrong that you dismiss things you clearly don't really understand. You disagree that retail investors should use options? Make an argument aside from "it doesn't work" because I have years of returns -- and you can watch HUNDREDS of hours of studies on TastyTrade and others -- that makes a far better case than your abject dismissal.

I write about option strategies because I'm certain that it's good for individual investors to see serious, experienced people talk about it. I know, I know, you're certain I can't possibly be right (for some reason) and I guess you think I'm just making it all up out of some 4chan like desire to ruin people. Whatever, man. The only traffic to this page now is you and me and other existing commenters.

What's crazy is, TastyTrade, it's a startup! They took VC money and have a dozen data scientists producing meaningful research -- the same stuff hedge funds and prop firms do -- and they release it all publicly. They have a market theory, and they've built fantastic free trading software (first Think Or Swim, now Dough.com) to give investors tools to implement their strategies. These are the good guys, empowering people to not get screwed by some shitty store front financial advisor. They had a 1/2 billion dollar exit with ThinkOrSwim and they give everything TastyTrade does away for free. There's an app you can subscribe to if you want to, but there's no obligation, it's real altruism.

Now, feel free to have the last word. If you're up to it, I'd love your take on the question I asked somebody else:

Wouldn't you agree that it would be a bad idea for a retail investor to invest in OTM options hoping the stock price will move in their direction? It's an awful strategy, with a low probability of success. Almost certainly those options you bought will expire worthless. So why on earth are you advocating so strongly against taking the OTHER SIDE of that trade? Here's a good answer: If you just do not have any time to invest, if you can't put in 15 mins each morning, then fine. But you must feel pretty strongly, so please, explain why you wouldn't want somebody to make that trade.

Re: The Best Investment Advice You'll Never Get (2008)

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post #110

Of course, choosing stocks/index funds/mutual funds/hedge funds/asset allocation/tilt/tax-minimization/etc all only come into play after everything else is in order. I refer most people who ask to Dilbert's 9-Point Plan, which Scott Adams originally published in 2002 but has been reproduced many times all over the Internet eg https://retirementplans.vanguard.com/VGApp/pe/PubVgiNews?Art... If you can't click through,…

Naive question: why is a will so important?

Re: The Best Investment Advice You'll Never Get (2008)

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post #110

Of course, choosing stocks/index funds/mutual funds/hedge funds/asset allocation/tilt/tax-minimization/etc all only come into play after everything else is in order. I refer most people who ask to Dilbert's 9-Point Plan, which Scott Adams originally published in 2002 but has been reproduced many times all over the Internet eg https://retirementplans.vanguard.com/VGApp/pe/PubVgiNews?Art... If you can't click through,…

Naive question: why is a will so important?

If you have kids then you get to specify somewhat how you want them to be raised.

Regardless, it is believed that you owe it to the people you leave behind to be clear with your intentions. People dying intestate is a massive drain on society, and it often brings out the worst in people.

Of course, the opposing argument is "yeah but I'll be dead so what do I care?" and to be honest it's hard to argue with this.

If I may give a couple of my own personal reasons:

1) It's not that hard. My first one was written at a "Will Writing Party" where no-one had kids, so we all just either left everything to our partner or to be divided up among our siblings. One guy had neither so his estate was bequeathed to his parents, and if they were no longer alive to everyone in attendance at the party (except one poor person who was to be the witness and therefore excluded from being recipient to the estate). For most of us the will we wrote at that party served us until we married.

2) It forces you to think about "the end." Stephen Covey first highlighted the importance of "beginning with the end in mind," and it's something that everyone just puts out of their mind as long as they are able.

Also in my case, I married someone for their child-raising skills rather than their ability to climb the corporate ladder (not that these are mutually exclusive), and sitting down to rewrite a will forced me to think about the added cost of term life insurance because I was taking her prime marrying years from her, and I don't want to leave her unable to remarry and only suited for unskilled labor with no cushion. My wife is also a basket case with investments so you can have some say in that regard too.

3) It forms evidence if you have to show proof of your commitment to someone. In my case our respective wills formed part of the evidence when applying for my wife's visa.

Re: The Best Investment Advice You'll Never Get (2008)

#124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Retail investors on average underperform the market, yes. Retail investors who only invest in index funds tie with the market (pretty much by definition) and those who think they can beat it drag the average down. You're generalizing over a group that has no homogeneity. > You and retail investors as a class have been scared into thinking that it's "riskier" to spend $300 on a call spread in Tesla than it is to go ou…

Ok, forget TSLA: Why is it less risky to buy 100 shares of SPY (at around the same $20k as TSLA) vs a $300 call spread on SPY? How can it POSSIBLY be riskier to spend $300 vs $20,000? I'm sorry man, you don't get it, but you're sure that you do, and you're so sure that you can't be wrong that you dismiss things you clearly don't really understand. You disagree that retail investors should use options? Make an argumen…

My answer to that question is pretty much the same as my answer to anything else about investing in the stock market - don't pretend you know more than the professionals; just use index funds. My problem wasn't with TSLA.

> Why is it less risky to buy 100 shares of SPY (at around the same $20k as TSLA) vs a $300 call spread on SPY? How can it POSSIBLY be riskier to spend $300 vs $20,000?

You're fighting a strawman here. I'm not saying which of those is riskier; I'm saying they're both stupid things to be doing.

My question to you is: why do you think you can beat professionals despite spending 1/100 of the time learning about it? And why do you think this is advantage is scalable? You're playing a zero-sum game coming from a huge disadvantage.

Think about it this way: in a zero-sum game, you winning means someone else is losing. Who are you beating, and why are you doing better than them?

My answer is that the market is largely unpredictable and those who win have just been lucky so far.

Re: The Best Investment Advice You'll Never Get (2008)

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Your numbers are off: - average long-term return on the stock market is 8-12% - full-time wealth management means no more tech job, means no need to live in the bay area, means $100k p.a. nets you a comfortable lifestyle You're looking at $1-1.5MM before retiring to the quiet life.

I agree with these guys, the real return is lower, and the years that are negative to 4% will be diminish your nest egg unless you eat raman in those years. A millionaire eatinv raman? Maybe.

The quiet life does not include Maseratis and penthouses. That nest egg should support you for 40-50 years, and then you'll be dead so leaving a remainder would be suboptimal.

Re: The Best Investment Advice You'll Never Get (2008)

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post #95

I think the key to picking individual stocks is the ability to evaluate companies in both a financial/quantitative and qualitative manner. This is easier said than done. But by no means impossible. Even Warren Buffett has said multiple times that if one has the skill to evaluate companies than they should pick individual companies and not choose an index fund because they will do far better with picking individual st…

> I have a deep background in the many skills required to analyze companies What would you say those skills are?

I'd say the most important are:

1. broad and deep business background (product, design, marketing, management, strategy, finances, market analysis, etc)

2. due diligence skills (ie., knowing how to evaluate a company, product, leadership, market/competitive position, etc)

3. skills in evaluating a company both quantitatively and qualitatively

4. skills in technical analysis of stocks

Re: The Best Investment Advice You'll Never Get (2008)

#127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, forget TSLA: Why is it less risky to buy 100 shares of SPY (at around the same $20k as TSLA) vs a $300 call spread on SPY? How can it POSSIBLY be riskier to spend $300 vs $20,000? I'm sorry man, you don't get it, but you're sure that you do, and you're so sure that you can't be wrong that you dismiss things you clearly don't really understand. You disagree that retail investors should use options? Make an argumen…

My answer to that question is pretty much the same as my answer to anything else about investing in the stock market - don't pretend you know more than the professionals; just use index funds. My problem wasn't with TSLA. > Why is it less risky to buy 100 shares of SPY (at around the same $20k as TSLA) vs a $300 call spread on SPY? How can it POSSIBLY be riskier to spend $300 vs $20,000? You're fighting a strawman he…

I gave you the last word and I'll stand by that, but I think you misunderstood me and I'd like to clarify this point:

The SPY is an index fund. Of the S&P500. So no, you're not saying "they're both stupid". You're saying "buy an index fund" and I'm saying, there are more sophisticated ways of doing exactly what you're advocating.

And I'll answer your questions: 1. I don't have to "beat" professionals. When you sell options, you're selling at the Bid price. The market makers are still making their few-pennies cut, because that's how their business works.

2. Option pricing is transparent. One of the multiplicands in options pricing formulas is Implied Volatility. This is a forward looking, crowdsourced guess of where the market thinks volatility is headed. It's not backward looking, that's Historical Volatility. The thing about IV is that empirically, it over-estimates. Since the CBOE first invented the Call option 20 or 30 years ago, actual volatility has been lower than the Implied Volatility predicted. And that's the edge dufer, it's an arbitrage opportunity between IV and actual volatility. There is of course no guarantee it will always be there, but it always has been, and that counts for something.

Another way to look at this is simple: People buy options for a variety of reasons. Speculation and Hedging primarily. The options market has to build-in an edge for option sellers, otherwise nobody would sell them.

Alright, I'm sorry if ever my emotions ran a little high. I love HN but the tendency to shout-down what you don't agree with sickens me a little and I have a hard time just yielding to it.

Re: The Best Investment Advice You'll Never Get (2008)

#128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not about "beating the market." It's about retail investors underperforming professional asset managers AND underperforming the market. Tell me this: Other than reducing basis, what can you do to increase your chances of success in an investment? If success is defined as "not losing money"? One way to reduce basis is by selling covered calls on your stock positions, limiting potential profit but adding no additi…

I've had this idea before. Any advice on what strike price you'd sell the calls at?

Check out TastyTrade.com, watch some of the videos.

I have a few rules: 1. Only trade very liquid underlyings. Only 30-40 stocks make the list, and only 10-15 are companies. 2. I don't always sell covered calls, only when IV Rank is high enough to tip the edge in my favor 3. When IV is high, you can set your strike price further out. 4. It's good to go to the 1 Standard Deviation strike, so in your trading platform look for the strike that's around 68% OTM.

Truthfully, though, I don't do covered calls all that much. Because they tie up a lot of buying power because you have to buy the underlying stock. They work best if you already are committed to holding long term, and if you write them in you IRA, which will prevent any tax implications should your short strike be reached and your stock called away.

When that happens, by the way, I just deploy the capital elsewhere, it's not tragic.

Re: The Best Investment Advice You'll Never Get (2008)

#129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had this idea before. Any advice on what strike price you'd sell the calls at?

Check out TastyTrade.com, watch some of the videos. I have a few rules: 1. Only trade very liquid underlyings. Only 30-40 stocks make the list, and only 10-15 are companies. 2. I don't always sell covered calls, only when IV Rank is high enough to tip the edge in my favor 3. When IV is high, you can set your strike price further out. 4. It's good to go to the 1 Standard Deviation strike, so in your trading platform l…

I'd love to hear some more ideas. I was going to email you but I didn't see an email listed? Would you drop me an email?
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