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Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by m_mueller »

swartkrans wrote: post #73
MichaelGG wrote: post #39

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Same here. Especially as Google becomes more and more evil, Chrome looks less attractive. Even on mobile, I use FF, despite it needing a lot of work and having a lot of rendering and input issues. And Chrome on Android looks very sexy. On desktop, FF is fine, once more. Rust is also one of the most promising languages with a potentially massive impact on the world. Not only safer software, but exposing more programme…

I'm using Opera instead of Chrome. I use Chrome Canary for web dev, but Opera is basically Chrome sans-Google. It's got all the same features as Chrome as it's based on Chromium. Just none of the Google account features. I've also dumped gmail for fastmail and am trying out duckduckgo, but if that doesn't work out I'll just use Google in an incognito window.

I find duckduckgo quite usable for commonplace CS things such as programming in popular languages. For more obscure things I usually just enter g! [query] into my URL bar, so it will revert to an anonymous google. I find this better even just for the fact that I don't get the filtered down view of the world anymore - if there are things named similarly than the ones I use in the world, I want to know, so I can adjust my own naming.

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by bzbarsky »

haberman wrote: post #101
pcwalton wrote: post #81

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Google Inbox is also Chrome-only. It UA sniffs and tells you to download Chrome if you aren't using it.

For non-nefarious reasons: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8495939

It's not nefarious on the part of the _developers_. They were given concrete goals. I wasn't privy to those, but it sure looks like those were: Must work in Chrome (Android) and on iOS, working elsewhere is nice to have but optional. They were also given deadlines. Then they proceeded, with no nefariousness, to deliver a product that works on Chrome and iOS and not elsewhere. I'm sure if they had more time or more people they would have made it work elsewhere too.

Then you ask yourself why the goals were set the way they were. Obvious guess at an answer: because they only want to target "mobile" and Android+iOS cover most "mobile" clients. Had iOS had less market share, I will bet the goal would have been Android-only (modulo advice by lawyers based on antitrust worries in that situation, of course).

No malice anywhere along here, but the end result is not so distinguishable from malice, sadly.

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by unicornporn »

swartkrans wrote: post #73
MichaelGG wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same here. Especially as Google becomes more and more evil, Chrome looks less attractive. Even on mobile, I use FF, despite it needing a lot of work and having a lot of rendering and input issues. And Chrome on Android looks very sexy. On desktop, FF is fine, once more. Rust is also one of the most promising languages with a potentially massive impact on the world. Not only safer software, but exposing more programme…

I'm using Opera instead of Chrome. I use Chrome Canary for web dev, but Opera is basically Chrome sans-Google. It's got all the same features as Chrome as it's based on Chromium. Just none of the Google account features. I've also dumped gmail for fastmail and am trying out duckduckgo, but if that doesn't work out I'll just use Google in an incognito window.

Try Startpage.com instead of Ddg. It will give you the the same results as Google, but with the privacy features of Ddg.

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by malandrew »

rdtsc wrote: post #3

I have been very impressed by Firefox lately. Kudos to the whole team at Mozilla. Just about 5 years ago, it was looking to me like it was the end of Firefox. It was Chrome all the way. New features were coming out one after another. Faster rendering. Safe process isolation for each tab. Looked better. But I just switched back last month. It happened kind of randomly. Saw an announcement of a new release ( 33, I thin…

TBH, the fact that bookmarking has not been completely separated from browsers makes me very sad. I know I can use a cloud service like pinboard.in. A universal bookmark sharing format would make the world a much better place. The fact that importing and exporting is still a thing sucks. Give me a content addressable store upon which multiple indices and management tools can be built and give me a way to choose how to view my bookmarks based on information about them. Near as I can tell bookmarking tools still only record url and title and let me organize into folders by copying entries. This is simply archaic. I should have to adopt a cloud solution to get something better, faster and easy to pull up in any browser on my computer.

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by gpvos »

wldcordeiro wrote: post #103
quaunaut wrote: post #86

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That doesn't really fix what I like most. I like being able to hit a, see Amazon.com hilighted, hit tab, and have that be searching Amazon. Or to do the same thing with GMail, Wikipedia, Youtube. It's the core functionality I like most with Chrome.

You can do that in Firefox and with more granular control. If you right click in a search box you can choose to "Add a keyword for this search" and then you can make the keyword whatever you choose. For example: I have a folder in my bookmarks containing like Youtube which is this url https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%s&oq=&gs_l= associated with the keyword "yt" so I can type yt and it loads the Youtube r…

I use that, but it isn't as good as it used to be in Opera. Opera auto-completed your search using the target search engine's autocompletion. I don't use Chrome often enough to know if it does that too, but it might make me switch. (I switched from Opera to Firefox because of the plugin ecosystem.)

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by DoubleMalt »

malandrew wrote: post #125
rdtsc wrote: post #3

I have been very impressed by Firefox lately. Kudos to the whole team at Mozilla. Just about 5 years ago, it was looking to me like it was the end of Firefox. It was Chrome all the way. New features were coming out one after another. Faster rendering. Safe process isolation for each tab. Looked better. But I just switched back last month. It happened kind of randomly. Saw an announcement of a new release ( 33, I thin…

TBH, the fact that bookmarking has not been completely separated from browsers makes me very sad. I know I can use a cloud service like pinboard.in. A universal bookmark sharing format would make the world a much better place. The fact that importing and exporting is still a thing sucks. Give me a content addressable store upon which multiple indices and management tools can be built and give me a way to choose how t…

I wonder how hard it would be to write a Chrome Plugin that connects to Mozilla Sync ...

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by baddox »

skrowl wrote: post #28
rdtsc wrote: post #3

I have been very impressed by Firefox lately. Kudos to the whole team at Mozilla. Just about 5 years ago, it was looking to me like it was the end of Firefox. It was Chrome all the way. New features were coming out one after another. Faster rendering. Safe process isolation for each tab. Looked better. But I just switched back last month. It happened kind of randomly. Saw an announcement of a new release ( 33, I thin…

I've been reminding everyone I know who still uses Chrome to try Firefox again. Many have switched back. It's simply a better browser. One e10s is in stable, it's going to be even better. Google is a for-profit company that makes money selling your data and targeted, personal ads. Mozilla is not-for-profit and just wants to make the web better.

I try Firefox quite frequently. It's still nowhere near better for me than Chrome.

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by baddox »

EduardoBautista wrote: post #4

You know, I just don't know who to believe these days when it comes to browser benchmarks. All browser vendors pretty much say they lead all browsers in _something_. Honestly, I don't even know what all these benchmarks mean most of the time.

Just try them, and believe your eyes. For me, Firefox feels much more bloated and sluggish than Chrome. I don't know if it's actually raw performance, or just UX issues, but it's no contest.

Re: Spidermonkey has passed V8 on Octane performance

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Post by cpeterso »

ldrndll wrote: post #111
cpeterso wrote: post #97

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How do I enable the Omnibar search behavior you describe? When I enter "a" in the Omnibar, I see amazon.com in the Omnibar drop down list, but when I hit tab, Chrome just highlights the next item in the drop down list. It doesn't search Amazon. Have you manually added Amazon to Chrome's "Manage search engines" list? Firefox has something similar: "Keyword Searches" bookmarks. I define my own search shortcuts, such as…

From my experience, Chrome seems to learn about a search engine by using it. So search for something on amazon.com and it should start working.

Nice! After loading amazon.com from the Omnibar, Chrome learned that "am" was "Search Amazon Search".
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