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The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in 1966

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Re: The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in 1966

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Video says no radiation detected at surface. What is the effect of the radiation underground? How long until the gas is harvestable from a new well?

> Video says no radiation detected at surface.

Soviet Russia was not big on detecting radiation in public.

Re: The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in 1966

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the odd thing about the Herzog film though is that it includes a narration that casts the images into a kind of scifi story unrelated to Kuwait/Iraq, rather than a documentary. The filming is amazing though.

Herzog has this concept of the ecstatic truth, which means his documentaries are rarely as simple as they can seem; it's almost a third form of film. I'm an unabashed fanboy, but in any event, Lessons Of Darkness is highly, highly recommended.

> the ecstatic truth

Usually known as fiction.

Or fiction intended to be taken as fact, which is either a hoax or a gag, depending on context.

Re: The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in 1966

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Wow. That's a lot of down votes for a joke/movie reference that shouldn't have offended anyone. Maybe this community isn't for me!

It might not be. We are working VERY hard to make sure it doesn't turn into reddit. So jokes are strongly discouraged (with a few rare exceptions), as are memes, clichés, image macros, or anything like that.

Actually, you're trying hard to make sure it remains like a small subreddit, which is essentially what it is.

Re: The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in 1966

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Here is some support for that argument: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanford_Site A lot of smart people being very very sloppy.

There's a huge difference between any nuclear power plant and the Hanford Site, which was setup as a wartime production facility. The majority of the river contamination took place in the early years, from 1945 to 1951 when knowledge, technology, and experience was extremely limited at the time compared to today. At the time, they sacrificed environmental concerns for expediency because they had a war to win. Even if…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_Nuclear_Power...: "In 1990, the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) ranked the failure of the emergency electricity generators and subsequent failure of the cooling systems of plants in seismically very active regions one of the most likely risks. The Japanese Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA) cited this report in 2004. According to Jun Tateno, a former NISA scientist, TEPCO did not react to these warnings and did not respond with any measures.[35]

Filmmaker Adam Curtis mentioned the risks of the type of boiling water reactors cooling systems such as those in Fukushima I,[36] and claimed the risks were known since 1971[37] in a series of documentaries in the BBC in 1992 and advised that PWR type reactors should have been used.

Fukushima had been warned their seawall was insufficient to withstand a powerful tsunami, but the seawall height was not raised in response"

Still no indication of greed, sloppiness, cut-corner mentality and general incompetence?

Re: The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in 1966

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Nuclear energy is hugely susceptible to black swan events, with very serious environmental and monetary consequences. Even the best, safest run facility, in an instance of sabotage, terrorism, conflict, or simple unexpected event (seismic, extreme weather), can turn into a maelstrom of troubles that will endure for thousands of years. Further the nuclear industry is one with a very poor track record of promises versu…

What you describe is true of the old style nuclear reactors (which, unfortunately, is all of them). I completely agree. But new reactor designs (thorium, etc.) avoid the black swans and all of the interdependent complexity. We should be deploying them.

Nothing you say in the second sentence is true.

Thorium reactors do not work reliably (just have a look at those that where actually built). The current designs do not work - we don't even have an idea how to do it right in theory. They absolutely are not less complex and are not in any way safer than any other nuclear reactors.

Re: The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in 1966

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A golden age of nuclear waste? It's not a silver bullet.

If we wanted to, we could build breeder reactors that burn >90% of what we call waste today and leave only isotopes with relatively short half-lives.

France tried doing that. I suggest you have a look how it turned out. Hint: It's an absoluty disaster in practice.

Re: The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in 1966

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A golden age of nuclear waste? It's not a silver bullet.

Honestly, I'd rather deal with nuclear waste than I would what we're currently doing to our environment.

Taking care of radioactive waste for thousands of years requires energy. How do you propose we generate that energy?

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i wonder if the US tests being all in the west and pacific had anything to do with everyone in project Manhattan being in, well, Manhattan

Just FYI, the Manhattan Project did not take place in Manhattan. It was done in Tennessee at Oak Ridge and Los Alamos research facility in New Mexico.

it was done all over the place. the most famous one being new mexico.

but it started in Manhattan. and the CO was always in NY. as well as most of the researchers families and properties.

Re: The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in 1966

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Herzog has this concept of the ecstatic truth, which means his documentaries are rarely as simple as they can seem; it's almost a third form of film. I'm an unabashed fanboy, but in any event, Lessons Of Darkness is highly, highly recommended.

> the ecstatic truth Usually known as fiction. Or fiction intended to be taken as fact, which is either a hoax or a gag, depending on context.

No, not really. You can tell a true story with a narrative film, or a documentary; what Herzog believes is that there is a truth beyond a strictly factual accounting, and he makes movies informed by this belief. There are a variety of techniques, but the most obvious is inserting himself into someone else's story, whether this is talking explicitly about the difficulties of making Cave Of Forgotten Dreams, or the scenes in Grizzly Man where he views Treadwell's death footage and then makes an in-camera judgement about showing it more widely; or basically all of Little Dieter Needs To Fly, wherein he takes Dengler back to Indochina and subjects him to much of the same suffering he experienced in his escape.

This also works in reverse, of course, notably with Fitzcarraldo, where he replicates an insane feat of human ingenuity that wasn't actually part of the real life Fitzcarrald's story.

In any event, all of Herzog's movies are worth viewing from my highly fan-boyish perspective.

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