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The Racial Dot Map: One Dot Per Person for the Entire U.S.

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> You seem to be really caught up in this idea of hard-core gang members. I'm not. The vast majority of the gang members driving around shooting each other up are not "committed fully to lives of violent crime." But they are still "bad, antisocial" people. The 19 year old who mugs someone in a gang initiation ritual is still a bad person even if you can explain his behavior in socioeconomic terms. > Is it the only po…

> But they are still "bad, antisocial" people. Yes, but how did they get that way? They got that way because they were drawn into that life by older gang members. They see older gang members living a life of relative privilege and they're willing to accept the violence that goes along with it. If you take away the money, those older gang members become much less attractive role models. > As if that state penitentiary…

I spent several comments laying out a theory for the increased incarceration rates, supported with charts and graphs.

The bottom line is that the increase in incarceration rates is the result of a dramatic spike in crime rates starting in 1960, peaking in the early 1990's, and the public response in the form of harsh sentencing laws in the 1990's (three strikes, mandatory minimums). It's a simple explanation: there are more people in prison because there is more crime, and because the spike in crime caused people to vote (by overwhelming margins, I might add) for harsher sentencing laws.

Compare incarceration rates with violent crime rates: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/U.S._inca..., http://www.volokh.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/vcrime500.j.... You can see that incarceration rates are clearly a lagging indicator, not a leading indicator. Violent crime peaked in 1993, at 4.3x the 1960 baseline. Incarceration peaked in 2005, at 4.8x the 1960 baseline. It's not until the late 1990's that incarceration rates catch up with violent crime rates.

The popular counterargument is that the increase in crime is itself a result of the social effects of the Drug War, e.g. the impact on kids of fathers being sent to prison for decades on drug charges. But the Anti-Drug Abuse Act was passed in 1986, and the spike in violent crime rates started in 1960. The slope of the crime increase between 1966 and 1972 is as high as at any time after the drug war really got going in the 1980's, and 80% of the total increase in crime between the 1960 trough and the 1993 peak happened by 1980. It is simply inconsistent with the data to say that the increase in crime since 1960 were anything more than moderately impacted by the Drug War, which didn't really get going until long after crime had already skyrocketed.

Re: The Racial Dot Map: One Dot Per Person for the Entire U.S.

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Hm, so among other Central Americans, what makes them stand out is their Spanish heritage. But in America, they stand out for being Central-American.

Stand out would be true. Unfortunately, what happens is that the Spanish are the whites, and the Indians are the native cultures. Then you end up with Mestizo, which somewhat maps to the word Nigger here in the US. And unlike our incursion with slaves in the US, the Hacienda system lasted for almost a half a millennium. Mestizo means mixed. And that's what they are treated as. Not good enough to be native, and not 'p…

> Then you end up with Mestizo, which somewhat maps to the word Nigger here in the US.

This is absolutely false. Mestizo is a normal and accepted term both in the US and throughout latin america. It is not considered an insult anywhere, unlike Mulatto. What else would you call us mixed people?

> Not good enough to be native, and not 'pure blood'.

Again wrong, most racism south of the US border is towards the indigenous. Mestizos see themselves as superior, since we are both european and native. While the aristocracy may look pure european the majority of latin american countries are mestizo and is a big source of pride and identity.

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