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Re: Firefox 31.0

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Post by ahoge »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #116
ahoge wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aw, crap. Do you know the CSS offhand? I already have to use some user CSS because they removed the ability to set the tab min width via `browser.tabs.tabMinWidth`, because that property wasn't "worth it" according to one developer. Edit: Turns out Classic Theme Restorer has an option for that.

>tab min width That is a nightmare to set now if you want tabs to go below about 40 pixels, thanks to the Australis swoops. It used to be one line of CSS to set min width to 0-ish, now I have a giant blob of custom CSS on top of Classic Theme Restorer.

Yea, same here. :/

Re: Firefox 31.0

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Post by vacri »

Pacabel wrote: post #103
amatera wrote: post #18

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This seams to be a problem with your machine. I also use a macbook air (End 2013) and dont have this problem (or feel any Lag on Tab-Actions). Even on my old Ubuntu-rig it doesnt have this problem. Either in Firefox or Chrome.

Your response is the kind that has given the Firefox community a rather bad reputation when it comes to addressing problems reported by users. Instead of accepting that Firefox may indeed have performance problem, you immediately discount this possibility, instead blaming it on mr_november's computer. It's irrelevant that it isn't happening on your laptop that's over 2 years newer than his is. It's irrelevant that it…

But worst of all is how mr_november's comment has been voted down. It's one thing to deny that the problem exists, but it's much worse to try to actively censor those who have merely pointed out a very legitimate and troubling issue.

'Actively censor ... a troubling issue'? You make it sound like a police state.

Firefox has been losing market share for some time now, and this trend will only continue as long as Firefox's performance problems go unaddressed

Firefox's problem is shedding it's past reputation. It really isn't that slow anymore - it depends on what you're doing in the chrome vs firefox wars. I work with a bunch of chromeheads, and they all spurn ff because of that past reputation.

In actuality, they have as many problems with chrome as they do with firefox - I'm constantly saying "[bug] not evident on firefox" and they express puzzlement that The Awesomeness That Is Chrome actually has a problem other browsers don't. Not to mention that a lot of the bugs I do run into on FF are because of their 'designed-on-chrome-for-chrome' default mindset. The bugs do get sorted out, but the perception that FF is so much worse than chrome isn't reflective of the truth of the matter. They're pretty similar these days, swings and roundabouts.

Re: Firefox 31.0

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Post by voltagex_ »

joeclark77 wrote: post #76

Did they certify to the community that no Christians were involved in developing this version? How can we be sure this is an intolerance-free product?

Wouldn't that be intolerant to Christians and therefore create an intolerance-loop?

Re: Firefox 31.0

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Post by cpeterso »

kipple wrote: post #65
zimbatm wrote: post #43

The only thing I want from Firefox is to stop freezing completely when a single tab goes crazy. It just makes the whole experience feel clunky compared to Chrome. Usually it happens with Gmail so maybe there is a conspiracy there to drive adoption for Chrome :p

Chrome uses a separate render process for each tab[1], so when one crashes it doesn't KO the whole browser. However this also means Chrome has a larger memory footprint, since each tab is taking up the resources of a little browser. Firefox doesn't do this, and so it keeps a smaller memory footprint than Chrome (oh how times change) but the downside is--as you mentioned--the whole browser freezes if one tab fails. [1…

The number of tabs per Firefox content process will, AIUI, be configurable via an about:config pref.

Re: Firefox 31.0

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Post by Pacabel »

dblohm7 wrote: post #117
Pacabel wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your response is the kind that has given the Firefox community a rather bad reputation when it comes to addressing problems reported by users. Instead of accepting that Firefox may indeed have performance problem, you immediately discount this possibility, instead blaming it on mr_november's computer. It's irrelevant that it isn't happening on your laptop that's over 2 years newer than his is. It's irrelevant that it…

I work on the desktop performance team and my job is to address performance issues. It is mistaken to suggest that we don't care about performance and responsiveness.

Can you please address why we haven't seen much progress, even after so many years?

You and others involved with Firefox may choose to deny it, but a lot of people still find recent versions of Firefox to be slow and/or to suffer from stability problems.

For example, just look at the discussion at Slashdot today about the Firefox 31 release:

http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/07/22/1918237/firefox-31-r...

Here are some comments that specifically mention Firefox being slow and/or unstable:

http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5438731&cid=4751105...

http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5438731&cid=4751077...

http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5438731&cid=4751091...

http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5438731&cid=4751127...

http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5438731&cid=4751144...

Whenever Firefox is discussed, those kinds of comments seem to be quite common. While some may choose to brush them off, to me it indicates that Firefox has some real problems, and these problems just aren't being fixed. We wouldn't see people continually bringing up these problems if they truly had been fixed.

Re: Firefox 31.0

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Post by mr_november »

thristian wrote: post #118
mr_november wrote: post #10

I want to use Firefox (OS X), and with almost every release I give it a go but it's simply too slow in comparison to Chrome. I'm talking about actions you do multiple times an hour - opening a new tab, closing a tab, rearranging tabs etc. This is with no extensions in use, on a mid-2011 fully specced out macbook air. It's unfortunate but the lag is clear and I can't use it as my primary when I know a better solution…

Have you tried going to the special "about:support" URL and clicking the "Reset Firefox" button at the top right? This creates a new profile and imports all your existing bookmarks, history, saved passwords, etc. but resets preferences back to defaults and recreates all the databases from scratch. If there's any settings from old version of Firefox that are confusing the new version, or poorly-laid-out database files…

Just did this, thanks for the tip, hopefully this has some effect.

Re: Firefox 31.0

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Post by Pacabel »

vacri wrote: post #122
Pacabel wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your response is the kind that has given the Firefox community a rather bad reputation when it comes to addressing problems reported by users. Instead of accepting that Firefox may indeed have performance problem, you immediately discount this possibility, instead blaming it on mr_november's computer. It's irrelevant that it isn't happening on your laptop that's over 2 years newer than his is. It's irrelevant that it…

But worst of all is how mr_november's comment has been voted down. It's one thing to deny that the problem exists, but it's much worse to try to actively censor those who have merely pointed out a very legitimate and troubling issue. 'Actively censor ... a troubling issue'? You make it sound like a police state. Firefox has been losing market share for some time now, and this trend will only continue as long as Firef…

Yes, voting down a legitimate comment here so that it's greyed out, thus making it more difficult to read, is a form of censorship.

As for Firefox's reputation, I think it still has a reputation for poor performance because, contrary to what you and others may claim, a lot of people still find recent releases to be slower than Chrome and other browsers.

It will never be able to shed its reputation for poor performance as long as it still suffers from those problems. And these problems will persist as long as the Firefox community continues to deny that they exist, or go out of their way to suppress discussion of these very real performance problems.

Re: Firefox 31.0

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Post by Sanddancer »

voltagex_ wrote: post #123
joeclark77 wrote: post #76

Did they certify to the community that no Christians were involved in developing this version? How can we be sure this is an intolerance-free product?

Wouldn't that be intolerant to Christians and therefore create an intolerance-loop?

He's trolling. Look at his comment history and profile.
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