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LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by airtonix »

Lunatic666 wrote: post #74

What about making a new Desktop not only fast, but also pretty? All the Linux Desktops look butt-ugly compared to OS X or even Windows 8 and absolutely don't make we want to give it a try. A nicely designed Desktop which is also fast and uses less resources would help getting Linux on the Desktops so much more...

Personally I feel that Gnome Shell is far more appealing than Windows (anything) or MacOsx.

I just showed a MacOSx user the alt-drag window resizing.... totally blew his mind, as in he couldn't understand why that wasn't a feature of MacOSx: "The Simple Operating System"

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by mhenr18 »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #117
leoedin wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Windows 7 came out I hated the new menu bar. After using it for a few years I curse Windows XP every time I have to use it. Sometimes change is good. Just because we do something one particular way (in the world of desktop environments this is often down to a decision made in the early 90s) doesn't mean that it's the most productive method of doing it. Often initially unpopular changes in user interface prove to…

Yeah don't want to get into a big thread about the menu ribbon bar - but the principle reason it is actually worse is, each item in the bar is rendered differently, making it worse for learning by new users. XP-style text menus you could at least search methodically, pulling down each one and opening each submenu until you found something. The ribbon on the other hand, is hard to search at all with different fonts an…

I'm not usually one to initiate OSX/Windows comparisons, but it is rather surprising that menu searching isn't a thing on Windows.

While it's obvious that MS would have a reason, I have no clue what that could be. The only thing I can think of is that people seem to use Google rather than their app's help functionality even if the latter would do a better job.

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by buckbova »

Gorkys wrote: post #118
buckbova wrote: post #50

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Forget Win95, something like AIX's CDE is all I ever really needed. http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/Home/ It's not all about resources. I don't want animations for every action. For me simplicity is elegance.

Wow! You're the first person I've ever heard of who actually liked CDE. Did you ever actually use it?

In the late 90's I used these beautiful AIX desktop machines from IBM. However, I did spend the majority of time in the terminal window.

I installed FreeBSD at home and attempted to emulate the setup, but never got it quite right.

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by detrino »

airtonix wrote: post #120
detrino wrote: post #56

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Gnome3 classic mode is mostly just Gnome3 + some extensions. The user interface is only superficially similar to Gnome2. Most things feel crippled compared to what came before it and it loses functionality on every release. Mate is excellent and truly deserving of the title "modern Gnome2". It's my desktop of choice. Under the hood it's using a lot of Gnome3 tech while the user interface is familiar and usable for de…

crippled, interesting. Perhaps you'd like to explain further?

I don't have gnome installed anymore, but a few things I remember:

The window list extension doesn't allow you to change the order of windows with drag and drop and I'm not sure if its possible at all. You also have limited options when you right click on them.

The workspace switcher as part of the window list extension or the stand alone extension are now text only menus that require multiple clicks to change desktop.

You cannot drag and drop launchers from the application menu anymore, in fact you can't have launchers on your panel at all anymore.

The system monitor applet is not visible on your panel anymore.

gnome-control-center is extremely limited, you must also learn to use gnome-tweak-tool and dconf-editor.

Also, classic mode just looks ugly and there is probably no way to change it without getting your hands really dirty.

Many of the things listed above used to work in classic mode but the functionality was removed in newer releases. There seems to be a trend of removing functionality from the desktop and moving it all to the activities overview.

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by dredmorbius »

ttflee wrote: post #93
2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #81

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window maker was pretty great. I wish they kept going with it. It's still one of the best window managers I've ever used.

I love Window Maker and hope its development will go on, however, its lack of features really hurts, if you are an Asian language user and have an enthusiastic taste for typeface rendering. It is not a problem for Window Maker alone, but also problems in many other WMs that do not rely on a heavy and frequently maintained toolkit, i.e. GTK or Qt, as perfectly supporting font rendering and i18n has never been a simple…

I thought that font support was among the few changes which have been made in the past decade, though the most recent update affecting fonts was 11 May, 2005, adding gsfonts-x11.

I'm not enough of a dev to know what would be required, but pitching this to the developer(s) might be helpful.

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by kijin »

mhenr18 wrote: post #122
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah don't want to get into a big thread about the menu ribbon bar - but the principle reason it is actually worse is, each item in the bar is rendered differently, making it worse for learning by new users. XP-style text menus you could at least search methodically, pulling down each one and opening each submenu until you found something. The ribbon on the other hand, is hard to search at all with different fonts an…

I'm not usually one to initiate OSX/Windows comparisons, but it is rather surprising that menu searching isn't a thing on Windows. While it's obvious that MS would have a reason, I have no clue what that could be. The only thing I can think of is that people seem to use Google rather than their app's help functionality even if the latter would do a better job.

Microsoft did implement a sort of menu searching with the revamped Start menu in Windows Vista. Anything that could possibly be accessed through the Start menu (programs, control panel items, administrative functions) can be searched by hitting the Windows key and typing.

The Office team, however, seems to operate more or less independently from the Windows team. The ribbon, for example, was first unveiled around the time Windows Vista was released, but Vista had no ribbon anywhere. Windows 7 added the ribbon to a few random apps, like MS Paint. Windows 8 added it to a few more random apps, like File Explorer. But they don't seem to be in any hurry to unify the look and feel of their own flagship products.

Well, what else could we expect from a company that thinks it's OK to slap two completely different UIs (Metro and desktop) on the same OS? Microsoft UI is schizophrenic.

Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by [deleted] »

Zancarius wrote: post #99
timtadh wrote: post #79

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Yeah, the developer has a really strange take on indexing. I got into a bit of an argument about it with him on a bug tracker. Baloo had decided that it would index all of my data files which are huge (multiple GB) which was going poorly for it and for me. The system is a wrapper around Xapian ( http://xapian.org/ ) and Sqlite, as with any full text index when you try and put things which are huge into the index it i…

> EDIT: looks like 4.13.1 will also have a check box to disable Baloo! FINALLY. Thanks for digging this up. Having no means of presently disabling it through the UI seems unnecessarily user-hostile. > Baloo had decided that it would index all of my data files which are huge (multiple GB) which was going poorly for it and for me. As I mentioned in my previous comment, Baloo seemed to happily go about its business inde…

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Re: LXQt – The next generation of the Lightweight Desktop Environment

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Post by zobzu »

a8000 wrote: post #52
zobzu wrote: post #32

hmm I use KDE (latest) with indexing disabled, akonadi disabled, 3d desktop effects disabled it seems very similar to LXQt and the project it replaces when it comes to resource usage and useability, except it is more mature and support a few more things. Thats basically what keeps me on KDE. I would think KDE should disable akonadi and stuff by default personally - its super useable without all the heavy weight "crap…

I remember when I first switched to kde 4.0 and everything slowed to a crawl because some background process (nepomuk) thought it was a good idea to index the whole filesystem.

KDE4 has much improved since 4.0 regardless. much.
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