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Rappers, Sorted by Size of Vocabulary

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Re: Rappers, Sorted by Size of Vocabulary

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I missed that, even though it is very clearly spelled out (oops!). It makes the ordinal comparison valid (modulo noise), but it does not completely address the concern. If you have two artists, and artist 1 uses 5,000 unique words in 35,000 lyrics while artist 2 uses 10,000 unique words in 35,000 lyrics, artist 2's vocabulary may be substantially more than twice as large as artist 1's. It is unlikely that a lyri…

This is a very good point - Aesop Rock, for example, uses one unique word every 5 words (7k unique in 35k), and if this does not stop, maybe he would continue and we would find the same average in 70k or 120k words. After all, you still have to have filler words like "to", "a", "the", "have", etc - he could be saturating the spots where he can put uniques. So this could substantially underrepresent vocabularies. Ther…

The paper I linked to in my previous comment uses Zipf's law (briefly, the frequency of word use is inversely proportional to its rank; more at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zipf%27s_law) to estimate the "distortion." This should produce a better estimate than the naive method, but there are still problems: the plot on the Wikipedia page shows that Zipf's law is not a particularly good fit to word frequency for Wikipedia past the ~10,000th word, and it's not clear that rap music represents a typical natural language corpus. It is probably still possible to devise a correction if one knows how word use frequencies are distributed.

A second related problem that that paper touches on toward the end is that sequential words from the same text are not independent samples from an author's vocabulary. Two artists may have the same vocabulary, but if one artist uses more non-sequiturs, fewer articles, fewer repeated phrases, or generally tries to use more unique words within a given song, then that artist will come out ahead in the measure used here. I'm not sure how much of a problem this really is for comparing lyrics between artists (depending on what is of interest, it may actually be desirable), but it may explain the poor showings for Shakespeare and Melville, since prose is likely to repeat words more frequently than rap lyrics for reasons unrelated to the authors' vocabularies. (FWIW, even conservative estimates put Shakespeare's vocabulary at >15,000 words, which would be hard to measure in a sample of 35,000 words.)

Re: Rappers, Sorted by Size of Vocabulary

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OP: Did your analysis of MF DOOM include his work alongside Madlib as Madvillian or his various other pseudonyms (King Geedorah, Viktor Vaughn, etc.)? I find it a little hard to believe he's not at least in the Wu Tang/Canibus/KK cluster, if not #1 overall.

Yeah I would have though Doom would be very high. But the density of his lyrics perhaps stem more from allusions/references and humour than from the words themselves.

Re: Rappers, Sorted by Size of Vocabulary

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I'm a big fan of the project and the way it is presented. Not sure why Wu-Tang features so prominently but I guess I'm okay with that. Kool Keith should be broken down further into his constituent parts. I also would have thought the Beastie Boys would have run higher.

I'm pretty sure Kool Keith would not be okay with that.

Re: Rappers, Sorted by Size of Vocabulary

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Many here seem to be interpreting vocabulary size as a signal for quality. When it comes to rap I completely disagree. Firstly, the repetition is rap's main ingredient. I read an article a while ago where researchers found that listening to a spoken phrase that is looped activates the same part of the brain as music, which helps explain this phenomenon.

Personally, if I want food for thought I read. Rap is not an intellectual pursuit. I've been perusing rappers on this list, and the top artists have not been good at all to my ears. It seems that the best rappers are in the middle, and being on either extreme is a negative signal.

Re: Rappers, Sorted by Size of Vocabulary

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How about a 2d visualization with a sliding 10000 word window, with the y axis as unique words out of 10k and the x aaxis time. Are there cultural trends that are time dependent? Did young mc and Del use more words than contemporary artists? Did their trends as artists follow the global trend over time?

Re: Rappers, Sorted by Size of Vocabulary

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I'm a big fan of the project and the way it is presented. Not sure why Wu-Tang features so prominently but I guess I'm okay with that. Kool Keith should be broken down further into his constituent parts. I also would have thought the Beastie Boys would have run higher.

I'm pretty sure Kool Keith would not be okay with that.

He'd be Kool with it.

http://www.koolkeith.co.uk/personas.html

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This is fascinating. I'm only a recent listener of hip-hop (primarily because of Earl Sweatshirt and Odd Future) and I'm in awe of the vernacular. And similarly, as a boredom exercise a few weeks ago I did some lexical analysis of the song Timber (the monstrosity was being constantly played on the radio at the time) and here's what I came out with: "83.1% of the words in the lyrics are five letters or less, 58.9% are…

> Eleven people were involved with the writing of the song, each of them capable of producing just nine unique words each. I'm not sure why this is notable when you consider that lyrics are probably the least important aspect of a song intended for the top 40. If you take a moment to listen to the melody and production, you'd probably see why it's credited to 10+ people. That song is a well-oiled machine.

My last sentence was intended as a satire, lyrics are obviously not uniformly distributed between writers. I completely agree with you though, the song (despite my disdain for it) is incredibly catchy, and definitely not intended to be thoughtful or thought provoking in nature.
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