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Re: Microsoft OneDrive for Business modifies files as it syncs

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Post by 7952 » Wed, Apr 23, 2014, 4:17 PM UTC

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #111

7952 wrote: post #106

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>> So: what collaboration tool would you suggest for the average corporate drone to use? And no, git is not an acceptable answer. Email + shared folder (as flat as possible) with rigorously enforced naming conventions. Clever features like search can be added with crawlers.

For me that would suffice - but its not the answer, I'm afraid. Management/IT wants to: - have workflows, so documents can be approved among other stuff - have document lifecycle, so they expire and must be reviewed after time x - solve the Dropbox problem - how do you collaborate with external entities without compromising security by having users uncontrollably put stuff on Dropbox, because there is no other way? -…

It is interesting how all these problems come down to basic CS concepts (cache invalidation, naming things, locks).

- Versions

"Doc-456 V-023" "Doc-456 V-024"

To maintain an archive files become read only after 24 hours.

- approvals

"Doc-456 V-024 Joe Bloggs ✔"

Re: Microsoft OneDrive for Business modifies files as it syncs

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Post by kabdib » Wed, Apr 23, 2014, 4:45 PM UTC

marshray wrote: post #53

kabdib wrote: post #48

SharePoint has always been a piece of garbage. Unfortunately it's a money making piece of garbage, so there you go. Inside MS, SharePoint is often used to "track" project documents. Start a project and -poof- your most unfavorite PM has creates a procrustean bed of document folders, all set for you to lose your documents in because none of the categories match anything in the actual product. Like, having whole separa…

To an experienced software developer, any document management system is going to feel like a poor excuse for a source code control system. But many businesses live and breathe by their documents and workflows the way development teams do their source code. It sounds like most of your complaints are about the way the processes were managed rather than SharePoint itself.

Both. SP sucked, and management's use of it also sucked.

Re: Microsoft OneDrive for Business modifies files as it syncs

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Post by mrslx » Thu, Apr 24, 2014, 6:54 PM UTC

kreeben wrote: post #84

mrslx wrote: post #78

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So your PM doesn't manage the docs? as in talk to you about what the appropriate output should be and then they collect and handle the organization of it?

There are a few PM's out there like that, but most I have worked with are super excited about jira or sharepoint, love agile (as in "look at all the charts, the customer will be so happy when I show these to him") and asks nothing of his team except to follow his guidelines and everything will be swell. Are all unmindful IT people working with MS and MS-centric customers these days, or do you have them on the other s…

Your reply infuriates me. The PM, at a minimum, should be collecting the information needed to credit the appropriate team/ICs, circulate status of dependencies, and communicate upwards. Methodology(agile) and tools (SP/Jira) are supposed to be ways to think and optimize communications...

It really peeves me to see PMs get away with doing spreadsheet management and wear teflon suits...

To be fair, i've been on a team where the engineers passed the buck towards me also, so i had to push towards written follow ups and detailed documents but that was isolated from the entire team..

Framework filled resumes go straight to the trash or get tossed a cluster f* in an interview to see how they structure the problem and build out a path towards a more productive structure.. most have failed because they all respond with some rendition of 'call a meeting with the team and their supervisor'..

Re: Microsoft OneDrive for Business modifies files as it syncs

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Post by frik » Fri, Apr 25, 2014, 5:00 AM UTC

7952 wrote: post #108

frik wrote: post #80

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I wonder if SharePoint has a future in Microsoft's strategy re-alignment. SharePoint (evolved as Office Server) is a beast of software and many awkward engineering & design choices from the 2003 era are still visible to the end user. And I am not even touching the XHTML tabled based layout with thousands of CSS rules, Silverlight & ActiveX controls, bad WebDAV support, "SharePoint Groups", low soft & hard limits for…

>> Will Microsoft rewrite (or refactor) SharePoint and its form services from the ground up? Or will SharePoint 2015(?) be a rehashed v2013? And will Windows 9 come with an improved Explorer and NTFS/ReFS with better document management capabilities like that were planned for WinFS or "Microsoft Semantic Engine"? It would be better to build something on top of Outlook and Onenote. New file systems will only be useful…

The first version of Sharepoint was a portal server built on Outlook/Exchange. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharepoint#History

Another product team pages evolved from Frontpage server extension. Both products merged to what is known as Sharepoint 2003.

Most of the functionallity is still in Outlook client. You can also sync Sharepoint sites with Outlook and access your document libraries offline.