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Re: Ubuntu 14.04 released

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Post by fit2rule »

skriticos2 wrote: post #62
g8oz wrote: post #40

For those of you who find the Unity desktop to be an overweight example of "designer" solipsism, try out the alternative light weight desktops like Lubuntu (LXDE based) or Xubuntu (XFCE based). sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop or sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop

In fact I did that in the past weeks after being a bit weary of the Unity 8 situation. So I grabbed Debian testing and installed it. First I tried Gnome 3, then KDE and XFCE and boy, are they all ugly. I started with Gnome 3.10 (after ignoring it for most of it's existence except once in the early time) and it failed to register simple mouse clicks in a Steam game (the firs thing I tried). It's also sluggish and ugly…

xfce + kupfer = solution. Of course, you have to have a "Meta-Space " style of interaction mode, but I'm finding it quite an acceptable DE/Shell environment to replace the horrible, stinking mess of Unity.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 released

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Post by davidgerard »

mdellabitta wrote: post #97
skriticos2 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In fact I did that in the past weeks after being a bit weary of the Unity 8 situation. So I grabbed Debian testing and installed it. First I tried Gnome 3, then KDE and XFCE and boy, are they all ugly. I started with Gnome 3.10 (after ignoring it for most of it's existence except once in the early time) and it failed to register simple mouse clicks in a Steam game (the firs thing I tried). It's also sluggish and ugly…

To my eye, XFCE in Xubuntu looks a lot better than in ootb Debian. Might want to give that a whirl. Also you check out tint2, which is a nice 3rd party panel also used in Crunchbang.

Way better. Xubuntu have done a ton of prettifying. Wish they'd upstream this work.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 released

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Post by nirvdrum »

mdaniel wrote: post #118
nirvdrum wrote: post #104

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Any chance you'll be publishing VMware boxes as well?

My understanding of Vagrant is that it is a meta virtualization format, so in theory one could create a Vagrantfile that points at the aforementioned vagrant boxes and it will use VMware to do the local provisioning (the Vagrant boxes even use the VMDK disk format, which should make it even easier). In theory :-)

I think if you use Packer you can create boxes in multiple formats. But once created, the boxes are just simply packaged VMs with some metadata. The formats are different for VirtualBox and VMware.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 released

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Post by MetaCosm »

beaumartinez wrote: post #38

Ubuntu 14.04 comes with Python 3.4, but unfortunately, it doesn't bundle the ensurepip module (and a host of others). By the looks of things, the idea was to use Ubuntu's own packages instead[1], but it didn't make it in time. This means that pip being bundled by default—one of Python 3.4 coolest features—is missing. Trying to create a virtualenv using the bundled virtualenv module fails as well. Big mess.[2] [1] htt…

It is a problem, on one set of packages that are a part of a rather large distro, not sure I would consider it a show stopper, just an annoyance.

Yes, Python is a mess. But, Python has been a horrific mess for years now, on multiple distros. I just ended up giving up on Python. Distro problems, 2/3 split, GIL and various other buggy nonsense slowly just reduced its value versus other languages.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 released

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Post by gtaylor »

qubitcoder wrote: post #117
gtaylor wrote: post #81

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> Can anyone talk about how well a Macbook Pro copes with the UEFI version of Ubuntu? I don't know if this is still a case, but I was unable to use the proprietary nvidia drivers booting in pure UEFI mode (not BIOS compatible mode). I know that they've done a tone of UEFI work in grub/linux since then, so it's possible that this is no longer an issue.

So far, Ubuntu 14.04 is working flawlessly here on a MacBook Pro with retina display (2012). Just speaking personally here. I've never been this impressed by a Linux release. If you have an HiDPI screen, then be prepared for a treat. It's absolutely stunning. It's fast, gorgeous, and near pixel perfect. Using the beta over the past few weeks has rekindled the joy and excitement of first discovering Linux as a kid (an…

Wow, this is really informative and thorough. Thanks for going through all of this. I've got an older MBP 2010 that was a real pain the last time I tried to install Ubuntu (13.10) when OSX got me pretty irate.

The other big gripe I had was the touchpad. It was weirdly sensitive and didn't understand many gestures. The weirdly sensitive part is probably the biggest deal, as any incidental brush was picked up. I guess OSX ignores certain patterns to cut down on the accidental movements.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 released

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Post by DanBC »

qubitcoder wrote: post #117
gtaylor wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can anyone talk about how well a Macbook Pro copes with the UEFI version of Ubuntu? I don't know if this is still a case, but I was unable to use the proprietary nvidia drivers booting in pure UEFI mode (not BIOS compatible mode). I know that they've done a tone of UEFI work in grub/linux since then, so it's possible that this is no longer an issue.

So far, Ubuntu 14.04 is working flawlessly here on a MacBook Pro with retina display (2012). Just speaking personally here. I've never been this impressed by a Linux release. If you have an HiDPI screen, then be prepared for a treat. It's absolutely stunning. It's fast, gorgeous, and near pixel perfect. Using the beta over the past few weeks has rekindled the joy and excitement of first discovering Linux as a kid (an…

Thank you for yur very clear writeup.

Your experience (a lovely distribution; frustrating to install on Mac (and I am carefully avoiding placing blame on any one organisation here)) is odd in 2014.

All that kind of fiddling around is similar to the hoops people jumped through with earlier distributions.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 released

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Post by wpietri »

derefr wrote: post #109
otterley wrote: post #63

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Customer: "It doesn't work!" Project manager: "But hey, we shipped on time!"

The majority of 14.04 installations will actually occur after 14.10+ comes out, from corporations currently sitting on 12.04, who will take a few months to evaluate 14.04, and then, finally, upgrade to it. It will be stable by the time they do this. Because these corporations behave this way, it excludes them from the set of people Canonical has to worry about pleasing at release. So LTS releases, right on release, a…

That is pretty fucked up. The point of declaring a release, rather than just shipping nightlies, is to let people know when it's ready. Having a dog's breakfast of a major release (which 12.04 certainly was out of the gate) substantially decreases my trust in Canonical.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 released

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Post by foobarqux »

_Satya wrote: post #116
foobarqux wrote: post #58

If you use Emacs and depend on Ctrl-space note that you may have to disable the keybinding in ibus-setup and restart the ibus daemon. This bug was claimed to be fixed but it wasn't for me. However I'm running Xmonad with some Gnome utilities.

The ibus in Ubuntu 14.04 uses Super+Space to switch between languages. Not the Ctrl+Space anymore. Nevertheless, it's easy to change it to any other key combination.

Mine was bound to Ctrl-space in ibus-setup but as I said I have a non-standard config.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 released

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Post by derefr »

wpietri wrote: post #127
derefr wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The majority of 14.04 installations will actually occur after 14.10+ comes out, from corporations currently sitting on 12.04, who will take a few months to evaluate 14.04, and then, finally, upgrade to it. It will be stable by the time they do this. Because these corporations behave this way, it excludes them from the set of people Canonical has to worry about pleasing at release. So LTS releases, right on release, a…

That is pretty fucked up. The point of declaring a release, rather than just shipping nightlies, is to let people know when it's ready. Having a dog's breakfast of a major release (which 12.04 certainly was out of the gate) substantially decreases my trust in Canonical.

Think of it like this--if they waited to ship the release until it was stable enough for corporations to use... then corporations would still take four months to evaluate it, so they'd only start using it was it was four months more stable than necessary. It's a bit like cooking a steak: if you wait for it to look medium-done in the pan, it'll actually be well-done by the time it hits the plate, because it'll keep cooking in its own hot juices after you take it off. You need to take it off when it looks medium-rare, if you want to serve it medium.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 released

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Post by wpietri »

derefr wrote: post #129
wpietri wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is pretty fucked up. The point of declaring a release, rather than just shipping nightlies, is to let people know when it's ready. Having a dog's breakfast of a major release (which 12.04 certainly was out of the gate) substantially decreases my trust in Canonical.

Think of it like this--if they waited to ship the release until it was stable enough for corporations to use... then corporations would still take four months to evaluate it, so they'd only start using it was it was four months more stable than necessary. It's a bit like cooking a steak: if you wait for it to look medium-done in the pan, it'll actually be well-done by the time it hits the plate, because it'll keep co…

It's absurd.

Late adopters wait because they'd like somebody else to flush out the early bugs. If this is actually Canonical's plans, that 14.04.1 is the first release expected to be stable, then if I were a late adopter, I'd just wait for 14.04.2.

The let's-trick-people-into-adopting-something bit is basically an attitude of customer contempt. It's assuming that the release knows the customer's business better than the customer does. Whether it's right or wrong, it's a dick move, and acts to decrease trust.

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