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Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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You might want to send your letter to a friend to read. Maybe that friend will send back some suggestions. On an iPad, you can’t see the email with the suggestions and your letter at the same time. Multitasking gestures on iPad and Macs let you slide back and forth between adjacent full screen apps. Your CV probably includes a picture. Maybe you went to a photographer who gave you a CD with copies of the pictures she…

> From your article, I'm guessing you're missing the excellent Logitech ultraslim keyboard case, have multitasking gestures turned off, and aren't that familiar with the productivity applications available. I agree that productivity is possible with an iPad, but perhaps it requires "being familiar" with a lot of stuff before you can be very effective with it.

How different is that from the PC world? Someone who isn't trained on the apps and options will fail to be effective on any platform doing "serious work".

The only issue is that such training does exist in large parts in the PC world, and is less readily available in the iPad world.

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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It's a bit unusual to say "look, this niche system solves a problem that the one used by 1/3 of the people does not solve", while ignoring that the one used by the other 2/3 of the people solves it. It's a honest comparison, it's just completely useless.

Sorry, what? Android isn't a productivity solution yet. Not even close. No manufacturer is trying with Android to build what Microsoft is building with 8.1+ - a coherent, unified, cross-device productivity and computing ecosystem.

Disagree. Samsung is trying very hard to win Enterprise customers (mostly failing so far, but they do have business users on their mind).

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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Shooting the mouse into a corner is actually one of those gestures that is hardest to get wrong, which is why we've placed the window's close button up there for decades. Your mistake is aiming for the side instead of the top right corner of the screen; you can't overshoot it, so it never takes more than one physical gesture. You can also swipe from the right edge of your touchpad as if it were the screen.

This doesn't work so well when you have two monitors.

I have 2 monitors, but they aren't the same size. I aim for the bottom corner, since I have the tops of each monitor aligned. Works great.

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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I prefer the Surface to the Bay Trails I've seen so far and it has to be a least ten inches for my old eyes.

IIRC, there are 11" Dell Venues that start with the Bay Trail and move up into the i# processors.

I have an 8" Dell Venue Pro, and it's pretty nice. It was cheap as hell, and the only issue I have with it is that the screen is too small for the resolution. Anyway, it's great for consuming media but not so great for creating anything.

I have a feeling the 11" Venue Pro would be the same way. The Windows touch keyboard is really awkward, it's hard to select small things like browser buttons, and there aren't a lot of apps. But hey, it's pretty cheap, and it's great for watching Netflix or preparing a simple document.

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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Shooting the mouse into a corner is actually one of those gestures that is hardest to get wrong, which is why we've placed the window's close button up there for decades. Your mistake is aiming for the side instead of the top right corner of the screen; you can't overshoot it, so it never takes more than one physical gesture. You can also swipe from the right edge of your touchpad as if it were the screen.

This doesn't work so well when you have two monitors.

It works fine with two monitors. There's a "sticky" spot in shared corners that makes opening the sidebars easy: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/05/21/enhancing-wind...

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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Surely the comment about hardware variability is moot on the Surface. It's designed by Microsoft..

> Surely the comment about hardware variability is moot on the Surface. It's designed by Microsoft..

The Surface has a USB port. And that makes it an uncontrolled environment.

For example, the article complains that Windows is "technically terrible", because "I suddenly started getting an error message about some DLL every time I restarted the Surface (which you sometimes have to do when you get updates, which you get often). "

If you look at the screenshot, the DLL is C:\Windows\System32\LogiLDA.dll. This DLL is written by Logitech. That means he must've plugged in a Logitech device at some point.

If the Wacom driver fails, that can clearly be blamed on Microsoft. The Surface ships with a Wacom digitizer, so it's up to Microsoft to test the drivers thoroughly. But the Surface doesn't ship with a Logitech mouse. If a Logitech driver fails, then there's very little that Microsoft can do about it.

Now, you could certainly argue that Microsoft should've caught this in exhaustive backcompat testing, and put a workaround into Windows. On the other hand, I also have a Logitech device plugged in. When I upgraded from Windows 8 to 8.1, it didn't throw up a LogiLDA error. (I don't even have a LogiLDA.dll file in my System32 directory.)

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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Last summer I participated in a startup accelerator in Chicago. My Macbook died in the first week! At the time, I didn't have the funds to purchase another Apple machine. Luckily, my girlfriend had recently purchased a Surface RT with the keyboard cover. I did not think that the tablet would be able to replace a laptop for "serious" work, but it did. There are a couple of things that allowed me to do this. First, a U…

you did all of that on a Surface RT? Impressive, because Excel and Powerpoint are unusably slow on RT. Source: We've developed a business app for Win 8, development was co-sponsered by MS and Intel. We have a very succesful iPad app in our vertical, it allowed large swaths of our customer base to switch to iPads for their fieldforce. MS themselves acknowledged that if you want to handle "large Excel" files, the RT is…

What is a large Excel file here? hundreds of Megs? For most files that I encounter, my old Surface RT works great.

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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I think this year and the next few years should be promising for Windows in the Tablet/Phone market. They were behind in specs for a while but their products are improving and are getting harder to ignore. I recently ordered Lenovo's ThinkPad 8 and can't wait for it to arrive. I think this is the first good alternative to the Windows Surface (it's lighter, higher res, better battery, smaller bezel, usb 3.0, sd card s…

The ThinkPad 8 looks great (great screen res, micro usb 3.0), just wish it had the Wacom style digitiser of the Surface Pro. I know that the Asus Vivo Tab Note 8 has the Wacom digitiser though but has a much lower res. Also wish that these 8" devices had seperate ports for charging and USB.

The lack of a Wacom style digitiser seems to be it's biggest critique (aside from price). The point about their being only 1 USB port is a good one, I wonder if it's possible to charge the device while using the port if you have a USB hub...seems unlikely.

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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OS matters way way less than it used to (Think of the bad old days, where Macs couldn't read Windows floppies), but it can still be a pain. For example, Google Music integrates best with Android. Microsoft OneDrive is most slick on Windows. iTunes runs like crap on anything other than OSX. You can get away with any hodgepodge mix these days if you want, but it's still more convenient to match.

>> iTunes runs like crap on anything other than OSX. I know a lot of Mac users who would beg to differ. I use Dropbox, Google Drive and OneDrive across all my devices, and I don't have many complaints at all. YMMV, of course. My use case is probably much simpler than yours.

Every time I try to overlap different sync tools, I get conflicts and wind up either losing all my data or having twenty copies of all my data.

Also, of course iTunes isn't greased lightning & a buttered dream on OSX, it's just "less awful", or so I hear.

Re: Windows 8 and the Microsoft Surface

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"There are artists who draw on iPads, and musicians who make music on iPads, and writers who write novels on iPads, and movie makers who cut their movies on iPads. But the fact that you have to point to these people, the fact that there are articles about these people, shows that they’re unusual." Unusual in a relative sense, the same way artists and musicians and movie makers are unusual in any segment of society. T…

Last summer I participated in a startup accelerator in Chicago. My Macbook died in the first week! At the time, I didn't have the funds to purchase another Apple machine. Luckily, my girlfriend had recently purchased a Surface RT with the keyboard cover. I did not think that the tablet would be able to replace a laptop for "serious" work, but it did. There are a couple of things that allowed me to do this. First, a U…

> I was able to create great decks on Powerpoint, manage large Excel files, use the Google Suite, and multitask like on a laptop

The fact we consider such uses to be stretching the abilities of a 5-core 32-bit 500 megahertz processor coupled to half a dozen gigabytes of RAM and attached to gigabytes of blazing fast storage, that displays data using a multi-core SIMD supercomputer just for pushing pixels speak a lot about how ludicrously inefficient our use of computing resources is.

With this kind of computer power, our parents designed Hydrogen bombs, ICBMs, supersonic fighters and spaceships.

Now we make great Powerpoint decks...

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