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Intermittent fasting: The good things it did to my body

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Re: Intermittent fasting: The good things it did to my body

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> It is worth bearing in mind that a lot of things we consider to be food really does not want to be food. What they want is irrelevant. As they evolved to avoid being eaten, so we evolved to be able to obtains, eat and digest it. It's not a one-sided process of providing us with a ready made menu. > At this stage the cult of eating dead animals was borne Why do you assume we did not eat animals "in the trees"? Is th…

Not to mention many poisonous fruit that looks just like other, non-poisonous fruit.

Or that many--maybe equally many--things use color as an indicator that we cannot eat them...they are poisonous.

Re: Intermittent fasting: The good things it did to my body

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A lot of the diets mentioned on this thread are a long way from the diet used in this article. Note it is not mentioned in the article, however it is mostly vegetables with some fish. That is a long way from 'chipotle'!!! It is worth bearing in mind that a lot of things we consider to be food really does not want to be food. Grains want to be carried away by the wind to plant themselves somewhere else. Their ancestor…

"Not one single animal, insect or fish has evolved specifically to be eaten." Plankton have largely evolved to be eaten.

As have some bacteria, which I guess he specifically excluded.

Re: Intermittent fasting: The good things it did to my body

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A lot of the diets mentioned on this thread are a long way from the diet used in this article. Note it is not mentioned in the article, however it is mostly vegetables with some fish. That is a long way from 'chipotle'!!! It is worth bearing in mind that a lot of things we consider to be food really does not want to be food. Grains want to be carried away by the wind to plant themselves somewhere else. Their ancestor…

It bears mentioning that the sugar content of modern fruit is much higher than that of Paleolithic fruit. It's been bred to be sweeter and larger.

Re: Intermittent fasting: The good things it did to my body

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I don't think we're even close to really understanding how the body works here. I'm not obese, but I gain weight from eating a little more, very easily. Last summer, I followed a Keto ("ultra low carb, high fat, medium protein") diet for about 4 months. After the first week of feeling terrible, a well-known side effect, I felt perfectly fine. It felt like I was binge eating, I limited what I could eat and just went m…

I'm a physician. While it's good to lose weight (at least if you are overweight), keep in mind that losing weight is not the only interesting outcome. Any diet might have long term side effects. Such as an increased risk of cancer, arteriosclerosis etc. Also remember that weight loss is not the only benefit of exercise. That said, congrats on losing weight. Now start exercising :-)

"Also remember that weight loss is not the only benefit of exercise."

Weight loss is not part of any benefit of exercise. Though your statement is commonly held as a belief there is absolutely no scientific basis for your statement.

Anyone can easily verify this for themselves: take a chart showing calories in common foods beside a chart showing common activities and how many calories they burn and try to find any scenario where you can out exercise your mouth.

Re: Intermittent fasting: The good things it did to my body

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post #113

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Regarding the diet above, which limits your sugar intake to 20 grams a day, what are some potential consequences of starving your body of sugars? Sounds good in theory (sugar is bad), but it sounds stressful (body starts producing ketones due to suck a lack of sugar, flu like symptoms for a week).

I did a diet like this years ago. One of the possibly side effects is decreased kidney function from the rapid increase of proteins in the diet (which don't metabolize very cleanly compared to fasts or carbohydrates). People with kidney issues or possible problems should avoid these diets. Kidney stones are much more common IIR. Another is lower bowel problems as these diets frequently don't have enough fiber in them…

"One of the possibly side effects is decreased kidney function from the rapid increase of proteins in the diet (which don't metabolize very cleanly compared to fasts or carbohydrates). People with kidney issues or possible problems should avoid these diets." You are confused and incorrect on this point at least, I recommend anyone considering this to go to some legitimate sources of information. There is a liver condition that is unrelated to ketogenic diets which people confuse mightily.

Re: Intermittent fasting: The good things it did to my body

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Producing ketones is perfectly normal. The flu-like symptoms can usually be avoided by easing into a low-carb/keto diet and/or ingesting sodium, chicken broth is normally recommended at the early stages. Potential consequences of reduced carb intake are weight loss. It can be used to treat type 2 diabetes, epilepsy, a wide range of neurological disorders, some cancers (yeah, really), and much more. I'm not aware of a…

Here's a study that shows that while low-carb diets achieved effects faster (involved more weight loss in the first 6 months), after a year the difference in weight was negligible. Low carb diets led to higher levels of LDL cholesterol, which is generally considered to be bad, though were also correlated with better levels of HDL cholesterol, which are considered to be good. http://www.ceb-institute.org/fileadmin/upl…

Please don't promote "observational" studies. They are not worth the electrons it cost to display them on my screen let alone transmit them across the 'net.

You can find an 'observational' study to promote nearly any point of view. If it's not a properly controlled peer reviewed study it's not worth anyone's time except the shills who got paid to write it up by whatever corporate group commissioned it.

Re: Intermittent fasting: The good things it did to my body

#127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a physician. While it's good to lose weight (at least if you are overweight), keep in mind that losing weight is not the only interesting outcome. Any diet might have long term side effects. Such as an increased risk of cancer, arteriosclerosis etc. Also remember that weight loss is not the only benefit of exercise. That said, congrats on losing weight. Now start exercising :-)

"Also remember that weight loss is not the only benefit of exercise." Weight loss is not part of any benefit of exercise. Though your statement is commonly held as a belief there is absolutely no scientific basis for your statement. Anyone can easily verify this for themselves: take a chart showing calories in common foods beside a chart showing common activities and how many calories they burn and try to find any sc…

You've acknowledged that you do burn calories during exercise so consequently losing weight IS a benefit of exercise.

It is true that in general one should not depend on exercise only for losing weight. Watching what you eat is the easiest way of managing weight but it is a message often lost on many.

Re: Intermittent fasting: The good things it did to my body

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post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did a diet like this years ago. One of the possibly side effects is decreased kidney function from the rapid increase of proteins in the diet (which don't metabolize very cleanly compared to fasts or carbohydrates). People with kidney issues or possible problems should avoid these diets. Kidney stones are much more common IIR. Another is lower bowel problems as these diets frequently don't have enough fiber in them…

"One of the possibly side effects is decreased kidney function from the rapid increase of proteins in the diet (which don't metabolize very cleanly compared to fasts or carbohydrates). People with kidney issues or possible problems should avoid these diets." You are confused and incorrect on this point at least, I recommend anyone considering this to go to some legitimate sources of information. There is a liver cond…

Nope, I'm definitely correct on this point. There's an unbelievable amount of bullshit in ketogenic diet circles about it - to the point an absurd reverse of well researched results. It's one of the very well researched downsides of any low-carb, high protein diets. The trick is to eat low-carb and low-protein as high-protein diets simply aren't good on kidneys. But then you're basically just eating fats and that gets boring. It's very hard to get dietary fats without one or the other though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet

http://site.matthewsfriends.org/uploads/File/StonesPolycitra...

http://www.webmd.com/diet/high-protein-low-carbohydrate-diet...

"By restricting carbohydrates drastically to a mere fraction of that found in the typical American diet, the body goes into a different metabolic state called ketosis, whereby it burns its own fat for fuel. Normally the body burns carbohydrates for fuel -- this is the main source of fuel for your brain, heart ,and many other organs. A person in ketosis is getting energy from ketones, little carbon fragments that are the fuel created by the breakdown of fat stores. When the body is in ketosis, you tend to feel less hungry, and thus you're likely to eat less than you might otherwise. However, ketosis can also cause health problems, such as kidney failure (see below)."

"What Are the Risks Linked to High Protein, Low-Carb Diets?

High protein, low-carb diets can cause a number of health problems, including:

Kidney failure. Consuming too much protein puts a strain on the kidneys, which can make a person susceptible to kidney disease. High cholesterol . It is well known that high-protein diets (consisting of red meat, whole dairy products, and other high fat foods) are linked to high cholesterol. Studies have linked high cholesterol levels to an increased risk of developing heart disease, stroke, and cancer. Osteoporosis and kidney stones. High-protein diets have also been shown to cause people to excrete a large amount of calcium in their urine. Over a prolonged period of time, this can increase a person's risk of osteoporosis and kidney stones. A diet that increases protein at the expense of a very restrictive intake of plant carbohydrates may be bad for bones, but not necessarily a high-protein intake alone. Cancer. One of the reasons high-protein diets increase the risks of certain health problems is because of the avoidance of carbohydrate-containing foods and the vitamins, minerals, fiber, and antioxidants they contain. It is therefore important to obtain your protein from a diet rich in whole grains, fruits, and vegetables. Not only are your needs for protein being met, but you are also helping to reduce your risk of developing cancer. Unhealthy metabolic state (ketosis). Low-carb diets can cause your body to go into a dangerous metabolic state called ketosis since your body burns fat instead of glucose for energy. During ketosis, the body forms substances known as ketones, which can cause organs to fail and result in gout, kidney stones, or kidney failure. Ketones can also dull a person's appetite, cause nausea and bad breath. Ketosis can be prevented by eating at least 100 grams of carbohydrates a day."

There's tons more. But I can't be bothered right now.

Re: Intermittent fasting: The good things it did to my body

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post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did a diet like this years ago. One of the possibly side effects is decreased kidney function from the rapid increase of proteins in the diet (which don't metabolize very cleanly compared to fasts or carbohydrates). People with kidney issues or possible problems should avoid these diets. Kidney stones are much more common IIR. Another is lower bowel problems as these diets frequently don't have enough fiber in them…

"One of the possibly side effects is decreased kidney function from the rapid increase of proteins in the diet (which don't metabolize very cleanly compared to fasts or carbohydrates). People with kidney issues or possible problems should avoid these diets." You are confused and incorrect on this point at least, I recommend anyone considering this to go to some legitimate sources of information. There is a liver cond…

Anecdotally

I've gone on keto 3 times, for different periods of time, and after being off of them for a month or so, I've developed kidney stones.

I have no idea if they're related, but I am the only one in my family that gets them (no medical history) and it's the only 'abnormality' in my normal, generally healthy, life.

Re: Intermittent fasting: The good things it did to my body

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post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a study that shows that while low-carb diets achieved effects faster (involved more weight loss in the first 6 months), after a year the difference in weight was negligible. Low carb diets led to higher levels of LDL cholesterol, which is generally considered to be bad, though were also correlated with better levels of HDL cholesterol, which are considered to be good. http://www.ceb-institute.org/fileadmin/upl…

Please don't promote "observational" studies. They are not worth the electrons it cost to display them on my screen let alone transmit them across the 'net. You can find an 'observational' study to promote nearly any point of view. If it's not a properly controlled peer reviewed study it's not worth anyone's time except the shills who got paid to write it up by whatever corporate group commissioned it.

Wow, you definitely sound a bit too defensive. A bit like my sister, in fact. She also followed the ketogenic diet for four months and was very, very adamant about how it was healthy because she was finally losing weight. But then reality hit her hard. She had her blood samples taken before she started the diet and after the four month period. What the lab results showed clearly was dangerously elevated levels of LDL (from all the fried pig skins and bacon jerky she was munching on, no doubt). She finally realized that, despite what you read on the Internet, nothing beats the hard results you see on a lab report. She returned to a normal diet afterward.
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