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One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by ars »

aaron695 wrote: post #27
ars wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably both of you will now go ahead and post naked pictures of yourself since you don't care if anyone sees them? Perhaps follow up with bank and medical records? Or do you feel that privacy only applies to things other than nudity? Oh and I'm sure you wouldn't mind hundreds of people contacting you and your employer and calling you all sorts of names.

I think the fact, as per the article, a victim teaching at a school was treated like the perpetrator is partially what they are referring to. Just like the good old days where the rape victims were the ones at fault. Society has a lot to blame for here as well.

> victim teaching at a school was treated like the perpetrator

I thought the problem was people calling (i.e. harassing) the school about her?

I would hope they gave her some time to deal with things, then let her back in her job.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by Sanddancer »

vacri wrote: post #111
XavierMendel wrote: post #36

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Then replace the hard drive? I don't know of any viruses that could hide itself in your case fans so I'm inclined to think that buying a whole new computer is an overreaction.

I was at a security seminar and one of the speakers mentioned a (theoretical?) BIOS virus that copied itself to the NIC when it detected the BIOS was being reflashed, then back again afterwards.

Yep, there are a few network cards, intel among them, that have pretty sophisticated firmwares that can be used to either stash stuff, or infect directly through vectors like DMA. Thankfully though, for home users, desktops tend to have cheap crappy cards with no such firmware update capabilities.

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Post by biafra »

enraged_camel wrote: post #82
michaelochurch wrote: post #53

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It seems ridiculous to me that the existence of a naked photo (with no context) would be grounds for firing a teacher. It might not be real and, even if, all it proves is that she has a human body, which is not exactly news. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but I agree; this country needs to grow the fuck up.

It doesn't have anything to do with growing up. You have to go for the root cause, which is religious conservatism. Think about it: why can European TV channels show nudity (and sometimes even porn) during daytime? Is it because Europeans are more "grown up" or is it because they have more sane, liberal values and worldviews?

There is no porn in European TV during daytime. Not by our definition of porn. Not every sexual act is considered porn.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

gw wrote: post #24
marvin wrote: post #10

A somewhat related note is that America's culture of sex-negativity, shame and general hysteria around nudity is a required prerequisite for this type of bullying and abuse. Look at the following paragraph: > Jill became hysterical, repeating, "Oh, my God. No. Oh, my God. No." This is, obviously, the reaction of someone who fears repercussions from others. And this is for completely harmless acts (taking nude photos)…

Absolutely spot on. I have no sympathy for the villain, but this story sums up modern America: 1. A prudish culture in which women are fired for the slightest revealing photo. 2. A litigious culture in which courts and police are heavily relied on to solve disputes. 3. An infantilized youth remaining under the wings of their parents long after reaching adulthood. 4. A burgeoning labyrinth of overly-specific laws bein…

Eh this is anti-American jibber jabber. Where is this fantastic enlightened country of which you speak? So you mean to say in the UK, Norway, or whatever mythical country you are implying about, no women there would be upset to have people surreptitiously posting nude pictures of them?

I call shenanigans on this and all the other nonsense anti-American rants.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

gw wrote: post #70
sliverstorm wrote: post #61

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A litigious culture in which courts and police are heavily relied on to solve disputes. That's what the courts ARE FOR. Are you saying you'd prefer to live in the world where Charlotte flies to Sacramento and calls Hunter out at high noon in a cowboy hat? Because it seems fairly clear the "negotiation" option was a complete non-starter.

Courts don't exist to solve all disputes, surely. One clear indication that this is not an appropriate dispute to solve using men with guns is the fact that she had to rely on awkward legal maneuvers (retroactively registering the photo with the copyright office and sending a DMCA notice) that clearly weren't intended for this. The alternative is not to engage in a different form of violence, but rather to ignore it…

Prudish culture? What a pathetic excuse to save your worldview that entails disenfranchising people legally simply because your hyperbolic insinuation this litigation is another form of violence.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

scotty79 wrote: post #12
marvin wrote: post #10

A somewhat related note is that America's culture of sex-negativity, shame and general hysteria around nudity is a required prerequisite for this type of bullying and abuse. Look at the following paragraph: > Jill became hysterical, repeating, "Oh, my God. No. Oh, my God. No." This is, obviously, the reaction of someone who fears repercussions from others. And this is for completely harmless acts (taking nude photos)…

Perv: "I've seen you naked." Response in sane culture: "Nobody cares. Grow up and find something useful to be excited about."

This is just ridiculously dismissive and fanciful.

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by sliverstorm »

gw wrote: post #70
sliverstorm wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A litigious culture in which courts and police are heavily relied on to solve disputes. That's what the courts ARE FOR. Are you saying you'd prefer to live in the world where Charlotte flies to Sacramento and calls Hunter out at high noon in a cowboy hat? Because it seems fairly clear the "negotiation" option was a complete non-starter.

Courts don't exist to solve all disputes, surely. One clear indication that this is not an appropriate dispute to solve using men with guns is the fact that she had to rely on awkward legal maneuvers (retroactively registering the photo with the copyright office and sending a DMCA notice) that clearly weren't intended for this. The alternative is not to engage in a different form of violence, but rather to ignore it…

However, they lost their job due to the prudish culture that I originally referred to, not directly by the actions of the villain.

Ah, so his villainy is rendered less villainous by this fact? His villainy is somehow not his responsibility, because his impact was indirect?

Or do you mean to suggest that the wronged women, instead of pursuing the man who targeted them EXPRESSLY TO RUIN THEIR LIVES should instead undertake the relatively trivial task of changing the moral values of an entire nation?

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

marquis wrote: post #78
ars wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably both of you will now go ahead and post naked pictures of yourself since you don't care if anyone sees them? Perhaps follow up with bank and medical records? Or do you feel that privacy only applies to things other than nudity? Oh and I'm sure you wouldn't mind hundreds of people contacting you and your employer and calling you all sorts of names.

In decent societies nudity isn't even something considered worth taking pictures over. Try visiting Austria for example during the summer and taking a swim. Good luck find any non-naked beaches (at least partial), where anyone cares.

Not everyone in Austria takes part in nude beaches, etc, etc ... Is this really where we are at HN? We are going to pretend that big bad America is the only place in the world where there are any people that assign any sort of charge to sexuality?

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

Nursie wrote: post #65
sliverstorm wrote: post #63

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No, it would be a hard-as-shit weapon to take away from them. In theory it sounds easy, but culture moves at a glacial pace.

Maybe in the US. I don't know, can't really see the slut-shaming working to this extent here in the UK, let alone other parts of Europe. Hell, Italy had an ex-pornstar as a member of parliament for some time IIRC.

The parliament is a sideshow. What happens to an average person in their lives is a totally different story.

But I do find it entertaining that you believe there are no Italian misogynists that would use nude photos or videos against a woman. It's not naive at all. :)

Re: One Woman's Dangerous War Against the Most Hated Man on the Internet

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

Iku-Nuku-117G wrote: post #101
michaelochurch wrote: post #84

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Immaturity (in the aggregate) is an outgrowth and cause of cultural degradation, which is more of a problem in the US than in European countries in which, yes, people tend (on average) to be more socially balanced and adult. Religious conservatism is one expression of an immature mindset (an imaginary friend who rains buttfire on your ideological enemies by the millions). Hunter Moore does not appear religious, but s…

This would be the same Europe where millions of people were murdered by their own governments within living memory, that had a functioning Fascist state (a real one) until 1975 and Communist slave states up until 1989, and that has has active "ethnic cleansing" going on right now ? That Europe? Just checking.

Exactly, this level of over propping up of Europe and anti-Americanism s ridiculous. I suppose Alan Turing would have thought of Europe as quite "sane" on sexuality as everyone seems to!
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