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Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by arrrg »

super_mario wrote: post #33
denysonique wrote: post #18

Hopefully Carlsen's becoming the FIDE World Champion will be loud in the media and will bring back the popularity of chess into our times.

Not very likely now that most of us have a computer in our pockets that can beat each of these guys. Chess will never be the same again.

That doesn’t seem relevant at all to me. I honestly fail to see the connection. I would agree that human-computer matches are probably be quite boring and don’t have a chance to be successful as entertainment but that doesn’t imply anything for human-human (or even computer-computer) matches.

Human competition is about humans competing against each other. Machines, computers or animals being better than humans doesn’t really figure into it.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by karpathy »

pdknsk wrote: post #4

Skip to 13:47:30 when the commentators realise Anand made a huge blunder (and resigns on the next move). http://chennai2013.fide.com/anand-carlsen-video-with-comment...

The official commentary and analysis, imo, was not very good though.

I was watching this feed live to see the players, but for audio I was over at http://www.twitch.tv/chessnetwork . Jerry from chessnetwork did a wonderful job of breaking it all down as it was happening. In general, his Chess YouTube channel over here http://www.youtube.com/chessnetwork is awesome.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by jrs99 »

klapinat0r wrote: post #92
jrs99 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it may mean he went from being a more calculating type of player(tactical), which you can win many games with, to being a more positional type of player (strategical) which takes a much greater understanding of the game.

Would you mind to elaborate on what you mean by playing tactical vs. strategical? (part of my yearly "now I'll get started with Chess again")

all of the examples here are good, specific examples.

this is a good example of both tactics and positional play: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEcRQXN2dbg

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by zem »

cdelsolar wrote: post #118

Reminds me a bit of this guy's dominance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Richards_(Scrabble) Winning 4 national championships in a row is one of the most amazingly dominant feats in anything, especially given a game that has a significant luck factor. A top tournament player in a Scrabble Facebook group just said this about him: "I'm pretty sure what he's doing is not capable by most human brains tbh, he plays be…

it's a shame ganesh asirvatham dropped out of the scrabble scene; he was a very impressive player, and the popular pick at the time for most likely to challenge nigel's dominance.

he was also the highest-rated player in the world for a while, even though he never actually won a world championship. check out his tournament record: [http://www.cross-tables.com/results.php?p=6670][http://www.w....

note in particular that he had a 24-12 record against nigel across 13 tournaments: http://www.wespa.org/aardvark/cgi-bin/headmini.cgi?name1=Gan...

(anecdotally, as a 1700-rated player there are lots of people who can beat me handily, but nigel and ganesh are the only two i've ever felt actually intimidated by)

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by GraffitiTim »

kzrdude wrote: post #26
kadabra9 wrote: post #6

What's really scary about Carlsen is I don't think he's close to reaching his full potential yet. He's rapidly approaching the level of dominance in elite chess not seen since Fischer or Kasparov, and he's only 22. I can't think of anyone in the next Candidate's Tournament that would be a serious threat to take Carlsen's title, aside from maybe Kramnik. I'm also really interested to see the impact Carlsen winning the…

Allegedly Carlsen has said that he "didn't know anything about chess when I became world #1", reflecting over the amount he had learned since then. I don't understand what that can be, but I'm no chess player..

When did he say that? I couldn't find a source.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by duffdevice »

anExcitedBeast wrote: post #60
auctiontheory wrote: post #53

Carlsen is the best/only hope for chess to clean up its act (reinventing FIDE and the Candidates process), and market itself to the broader Western public, much as poker has been marketed. Keeping my fingers crossed.

As a chess player and fan, this will never happen. Poker can be very fun to watch, even for people who don't know how it's played. Chess is often boring to watch, even for people who do know how it's played. Can it's profile be increased? Absolutely. Will it ever compare to the television success of poker? I doubt it, but that's OK.

Also, poker has the "everyman" factor going for it. When the amateur Chris Moneymaker won the World Series in 2003, the popularity of the game exploded. This could never happen in chess.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by jonathansizz »

maaaats wrote: post #108
anExcitedBeast wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a chess player and fan, this will never happen. Poker can be very fun to watch, even for people who don't know how it's played. Chess is often boring to watch, even for people who do know how it's played. Can it's profile be increased? Absolutely. Will it ever compare to the television success of poker? I doubt it, but that's OK.

I feel the other way: Poker is boring to watch, too much luck/randomness when watching. Fun to play, though. I'm not really a chess player, but I've watched all the matches this Championship, and all my friends (not chessplayers as well) are watching. It helps that we are Norwegian, though. And that may be the point: A western player will bring back the popularity in the west.

If you're thinking of tournament poker, than I can see what you're saying. Try watching some deep-stacked cash games sometime though; this is the most high-level and interesting poker to watch (and also the most instructive).

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by nl »

hrjet wrote: post #114
trycatch wrote: post #54

By the way, there is a very interesting tournament going on currently -- TCEC, unofficial computer chess championship [1]. The main intrigue of the tournament is the fight between Stockfish and Komodo. Houdini, dominating engine in the last few years, already lost any chances to go into the superfinal -- two very strong challengers, Komodo and Stockfish, in the last few months were able to eat huge advantage of Houdi…

Wouldn't a match with an open-source engine be unfair? The competing close-source engine could embed the opponents source inside it to predict the exact moves that the opponent would make, thus gaining a speed advantage. Even more interestingly, what would a match between two open-source engines look like, if they both embedded each other?

There's a fair bit of data (opening books) and configuration that can differ between two otherwise equivalent engines.

Re: Carlsen wins game 9, only needs 1 draw in 3 remaining games

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Post by nicholassmith »

denysonique wrote: post #18

Hopefully Carlsen's becoming the FIDE World Champion will be loud in the media and will bring back the popularity of chess into our times.

He had a very expansive interview in The Guardian recently, it was very good to read to get a sense of his character.
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