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Re: South Korea is stuck with Internet Explorer for online shopping

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Post by dragonwriter »

sp332 wrote: post #116
dragonwriter wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I think the argument is that the greed and corruption of people who are not capitalists aren't as important to the outcome of capitalism, because capitalism is a system in which the economy is organized around the interests (including, inter alia , greed and corruption) of capitalists. Which is why the socialist critics of the dominant economic system of the developed world of the early-mid 19th Century coined th…

This is bizarre. So, if an individual socialist person in a capitalist economy is corrupt, that's not as big a problem as a capitalist being corrupt?

> So, if an individual socialist person in a capitalist economy is corrupt, that's not as big a problem as a capitalist being corrupt?

In GP, "capitalist" -- and I would have thought this was crystal clear from context -- was used in the sense of "member of the class deriving sustenance principally through ownership of capital" (e.g., as would be opposed to "labor") not in the sense of "proponent of the economic system known as capitalism" (e.g., as would be opposed to "socialist".)

Re: South Korea is stuck with Internet Explorer for online shopping

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Post by jessaustin »

criley2 wrote: post #63
jessaustin wrote: post #48

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I don't know where to start. Eh, you might reserve that tone for posts in which you're mostly correct. Ma Bell was not in any real sense broken up at any point in time. Presumably you're referring to the consent decree that took effect in 1984, but it's also possible you've been fooled by the fig-leaf Comm Act of '96. The result of all that mummery is that right now we have 2.5 phone companies in the USA (which organ…

I don't see why Capitalists are so often misguided about their Ideology. Capitalism is not a system of capital ownership that encourages competition directly, it is a system of capital ownership that encourages greedy[1] people to greedily control capital in a way that most benefits themselves, and by proxy, their company, and by proxy, the economy. There is no competition inherent in private capital ownership, but i…

Perhaps you meant to respond to a different comment? There is no discernible correlation between the 1.5 relatively simple points I made, and whatever it is you've written here. (Hint: I outlined a short history of Ma Bell, and then had a small throwaway dig about Somalia. That's it.)

Re: South Korea is stuck with Internet Explorer for online shopping

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Post by Touche »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #51
revscat wrote: post #27

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This is flatly incorrect. 1) Property. If you have a monopoly on the property in a given area you can charge whatever you want for rent, and no competition will be around to add competition. 2) Vertical monopolies. If your company buys out not just the competition, but the entire supply chain, and there is a high cost of entry to being able to enter the market -- say automobiles -- then you can quash competition as i…

> 1) Property. If you have a monopoly on the property in a given area you can charge whatever you want for rent, and no competition will be around to add competition. Then people can move elsewhere. People won't tolerate it forever. This can be seen in the real estate market in the city I live in. Several downtown blocks in prime locations have a single owner. She charged outrageous rents, and now half of these (prim…

> While this is possible in theory, it hasn't happened in a free market.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Oil

Re: South Korea is stuck with Internet Explorer for online shopping

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Post by jessaustin »

criley2 wrote: post #83
criley2 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see why Capitalists are so often misguided about their Ideology. Capitalism is not a system of capital ownership that encourages competition directly, it is a system of capital ownership that encourages greedy[1] people to greedily control capital in a way that most benefits themselves, and by proxy, their company, and by proxy, the economy. There is no competition inherent in private capital ownership, but i…

@vdaniuk: You make wild accusations against me, saying that I am name calling? Can you quote me where I did that? Because this was no diatribe and I didn't call anyone names! I conducted myself respectfully--so it is surprising that you would be so disrespectful to me with your false accusation. I think what you've done is a basic against-the-man attack where you "discredit" what I said by inventing fake attacks agai…

...saying that I am name calling? Can you quote me where I did that?

You seemed to be calling me a capitalist, but I'll accept your apology if you clarify that.

Re: South Korea is stuck with Internet Explorer for online shopping

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Post by sp332 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #121
sp332 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is bizarre. So, if an individual socialist person in a capitalist economy is corrupt, that's not as big a problem as a capitalist being corrupt?

> So, if an individual socialist person in a capitalist economy is corrupt, that's not as big a problem as a capitalist being corrupt? In GP, "capitalist" -- and I would have thought this was crystal clear from context -- was used in the sense of "member of the class deriving sustenance principally through ownership of capital" (e.g., as would be opposed to "labor") not in the sense of "proponent of the economic syst…

That's the opposite of what I got from the context, sorry. In fact criley2 defined capitalism as a system of capital ownership. Anyway, criley2 seems to be calling all greedy people "capitalists", and using this definition to argue that other economic systems produce less corruption. That argument gets even less coherent, if you're claiming that guarding your capital is somehow more selfish than guarding your labor.

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Post by marcosdumay »

Segmentation wrote: post #50

An enormous amount of South Koreans play Starcraft and MOBAs (e.g. League of Legends). Those are Windows games. However, as I've learned from doing tech support, I find hardcore gamers are more computer illiterate. They know enough about computers to turn them on and play their game, but because they play for so many hours they don't do anything else on the computer. Basically you get a nation of computer illiterate…

I play (the old) Starcraft quite well on Linux.

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Post by jessaustin »

flomo wrote: post #119
viraptor wrote: post #89

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Oh $BABY_DEITY no! That's not what I was suggesting! Activex in FF? Scared the hell out of me... What I meant is either reverse-engineering the algorithm and reimplementing it in FF chrome in clean JS like jlgreco mentioned below, or including just the kernel of the important logic, the way ndiswrapper uses windows driver for communicating to the network cards without actually implementing whole windows kernel.

The security implications of requiring users to install Firefox add-ons are not any better than requiring them to install ActiveX plug-ins. (Other than pure vendor politics.) You still have the artificial requirement of some Win32 blob, which is the real issue.

It seems that being forced to use IE on Windows is more limiting than having to install an extension for whichever browser you choose on whichever OS you choose. If the security protocol were published or reverse-engineered, a clean re-implementation outside of Win32 could take place.

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Post by talmand »

lifthrasiir wrote: post #106
talmand wrote: post #11

Boot Camp is a secret weapon? It costs $70? I'm confused. Could they not get a free VM and then download an image from modern.ie?

Many native "security" solutions required by websites, e.g. anti-keyloggers and antiviruses, would block the VM. They also tend to trigger weird problems in the VM, e.g. some of them makes the entire desktop fail to respond to any events. (What?)

Out of curiosity, how would the security applications know that it was being run on a VM? Why would they care? That suggests they believe no one has a legitimate reason to run Windows in a VM.

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

patrickaljord wrote: post #5
PakG1 wrote: post #2

It is strange that I think of this after reading this, but this seems to be the dystopian future scenario that freaked out the DOJ due to Microsoft bundling the IE browser with Windows. It is strange that this situation actually came about, but due to reasons of law, not due to Microsoft's own market clout.

It isn't strange, most monopolies are born out of bad government policies, not the market.

Citation, please.

Re: South Korea is stuck with Internet Explorer for online shopping

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Post by ddoolin »

lifthrasiir wrote: post #113
ddoolin wrote: post #26

I've lived in Korea for quite a length of time and my wife is Korean...and I concur that it's a nightmare. No Korean financial institution will let you log into their interfaces on anything other than IE. Often the homepage would be completely broken in anything other than IE anyway. This is true for most sites, though those were easily avoidable. Banks and the like, not so much. To perform financial transactions onl…

> Also, you need to use your Citizen Number (basically a Social Security Number) to register for ANY service in Korea, even common websites. Since 2011, websites cannot ask or store resident registration numbers (that's the official name) for non-financial purposes. Sadly, it happened after a major incident which exposed RRNs of more than 70% of Koreans. [1] It is a common estimate that every Korean person have his/h…

I'm not sure if that's rigidly enforced. As in, I really do not know. I definitely feel like I've seen it used in non-financial registrations since then but I could be wrong for sure.

Just the birthday and sex will severely limit the RRN list, yep. I've once read that public trust in Korea is one of the lowest in the world, but I've found it to be completely the opposite. Public trust is so high that people seem completely oblivious to how insecure their system infrastructures can be.

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