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Re: Forced Exposure

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Post by tzs »

Questioneer wrote: post #52
tzs wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is Dell on that list?

"Former intelligence contractor Edward Snowden began downloading documents describing the U.S. government's electronic spying programs while he was working for Dell Inc in April 2012, almost a year earlier than previously reported, according to U.S. officials and other sources familiar with the matter. ... David Frink, a spokesman for Round Rock, Texas-based Dell, declined to comment on any aspect of Snowden's employ…

So basically Dell sells computers to the government?

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Post by augustl »

cookiecaper wrote: post #107

...Can PJ not figure out GnuPG? Is she officially retiring from any and all digital correspondence contrary to her notice that "[her] email [addresses] still work"? She says she's getting off the internet to whatever extent possible, and then asks people to continue to send her mail. I also find it cute that people believe facilities based in other Western nations are outside of the NSA's reach. I gotta say that stop…

Encryption is mentioned in the article, but dismissed as encrypted e-mails are stored for 5 years in hope of new discoveries for decrypting without the private key.

I still agree with you, though.. PGP is pretty good, after all :)

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Post by angersock »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #78
jgg wrote: post #35

Since we weren't allowed to say it when it was relevant, and the point was muddled and trampled on in pseudo-rational debates (“Can you find evidence that they’re abusing this new legislation?”, etc.), I'll go ahead and say it now: it's happening. There's still a big world outside the Internet, and yet ironically, we live in a world where some employers are so stupid that they won't hire someone without a Facebook, m…

There's still a big world outside the Internet, and yet ironically, we live in a world where some employers are so stupid that they won't hire someone without a Facebook, making the abuse and surveillance of Internet more relevant than it needs to be. You know what's my thought towards such employers? A big fat FUCK YOU! Those are companies, where I rather collect unemployment benefits than ever working one day for s…

Right, right, but for everyone that isn't a lean rockstar Node ninja programmer agile kanban expert--e.g., most of the population of the United States--it is far, far too easy to weigh going hungry against getting a "harmless" Facebook profile.

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Post by justinlilly »

ferno wrote: post #27
lazyjones wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's time to act, now Suggested courses of action? Tried and didn't work: * voting * not voting * protesting online / offline * writing about these issues, raising awareness What options do we have left? Violence? Hopefully there's more.

What about waiting for something drastically bad to happen? That'll wake people up, won't it? I think the issue here is that the US populace on average is much too complacent. People don't "care", they don't see how it affects them, etc.

There's a great podcast called Hardcore History[2] which has some significance here. There's a podcast titled something similar to "Justifiable Insanity" that talks about the end of WW2. People got into the mental trap of "Well, if we do something particularly heinous, they'll HAVE to surrender!". This lead to things like firestorms of Dresden and Hamburg, which had immense (esp. for the time period) death tolls.[0][1] So, be careful with the tactic of "Well, if something REALLY bad happens.."

[0]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Hamburg_in_World_War... [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War... [2]: http://www.dancarlin.com/disp.php/hharchive

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Post by skore »

herrschindler wrote: post #89

Comment of the CEO of the service PJ chose for her communications: http://blogs.fsfe.org/greve/?p=625 "While we’re happy to provide a privacy asylum in a safe legislation, society should not need them. Privacy should be the default, not the exception." So it's come down to privacy asylums and digital refugee camps now. WTF?

Years ago, when I was a little involved with the FSFE, I did a bit of graphics design for some people there. One thing I made was that small graphic one you see in the header there.

Seeing it again now after years... Weird.

Then I went to http://planet.fsfe.org/ and found out they're still using my site design there.

Wow. I'm floored.

This is... I don't know. With the storm brewing right now, they need help. People help.

Guess I know what to do.

Re: Forced Exposure

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Post by augustl »

Would just like to mention mailpile: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mailpile-taking-e-mail-bac...

They aim to create an self-hosted e-mail client with (among other things) a new take on encryption usability. I think this is one step in the right directoin of making e-mail encryption easier to use. If you think so too, back them :)

Re: Forced Exposure

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Post by igravious »

einhverfr wrote: post #34
igravious wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A part-solution. All tech geeks set up mail servers with encryption and volunteer to migrate their non-tech friends and family to new email homes. We also show how to configure encryption in their mail clients and start getting them to use native email clients rather than webmail. This will have two effects. It will send a message to Google/Microsoft/Yahoo!/insert big mail provider here/... that they have been lax in…

That still leaves the metadata exposed. to make this effective, you'd have to come up with something sort of like SMTP and something like Tor.

Ah. True. Metadata. Maybe e-mail in its current shape has run its course.

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Post by rlpb »

kaoD wrote: post #69
rlpb wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Email does not have to be real time.

Maybe realtime was not the best choice of a word, but Freenet cannot handle email in any case. Freenet is a global distributed p2p file database. Email does not fit that medium.

> Email does not fit that medium.

Why not?

Email can be implemented in a global p2p file database. Every "email" simply adds another file. Privacy can be ensured with encryption (as long as the encryption is not broken, at least). See existing Freenet message boards for an example.

It may not be Internet RFC821/822 (and subsequent standards) Email, but it is email.

What part of this will not fit the Freenet model?

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Post by chalst »

mcv wrote: post #97
demallien wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think that it's useful to be talking about Obama specifically. Before Obama there was Bush Jr, who was the sitting president when most of these programs were put in place. It should be clear now that it's not one specific President, or one specific party, but the whole political class that has been corrupted. Thinking things will get better at the next election will absolutely not help things, unless the issu…

I lot of people were hoping Obama was the start of a new direction. I'm now hoping he'll be the last of the old direction. The big problem to solve is: how do you elect someone different? As long as the two parties get to decide who American can elect, democracy is a hollow gesture. And the media are all in the pocket of the main parties. Honestly, it seems like only Al-Jazeera US might be the only independent news s…

One of the Wikileaks releases contained allegations that Qatar was leaning on Al-Jazeera:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/05/wikileaks-cable...

Re: Forced Exposure

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Post by 001sky »

My personal decision is to get off of the Internet to the degree it's possible. I'm just an ordinary person. But I really know, after all my research and some serious thinking things through, that I can't stay online personally without losing my humanness, now that I know that ensuring privacy online is impossible. I find myself unable to write....

-- the crux

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