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Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by 3825 »

salad wrote: post #82
3825 wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is OK. However if you are making a community project you should definitely change your logo to be distinctive of existing projects. Please fix. The original project expressed their desire to be visually distinct and it would be very nice of you to respect their wishes. This will remove the unnecessary distraction for you. Note that this is not without precedent. Mozilla renamed Firebird to Firefox because of the c…

What existing projects?

The project that Latitude[1] was talking about. I am not saying you are legally obligated to do something (IANAL). I am just saying it is common courtesy.

Trust me. The logo does not make or break your program.

https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=latitude

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by Kasuto »

latitude wrote: post #47

Oh, I see you helped yourselves to my Secure Chat logo - http://dribbble.com/shots/479881-Secure-Chat http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 https://www.google.ca/search?q=secure+chat+logo - first page hit too Not cool at all, "cool guys around the world". -- (edit) Regardless of whether this was copied, over-inspired or independently conceived (but let's be realistic here), the generally accepted rule of the game…

Stop being a baby. Someone even commented on your post that they had the same idea months ago. But instead of whining about it, he shrugged it off and said "Great minds must think alike."

The current Tox logo wasn't even the first proposed logo with the chat bubble/padlock idea. There were a lot of other ones. People were taking the idea from other logos and improving it. That's innovation.

You weren't the first one to come up with the idea; and even if you were, that doesn't give you exclusive rights to it.

Grow a pair and show some "professional courtesy" yourself by not giving a fuck.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by Daiz »

3825 wrote: post #121
salad wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What existing projects?

The project that Latitude[1] was talking about. I am not saying you are legally obligated to do something (IANAL). I am just saying it is common courtesy. Trust me. The logo does not make or break your program. https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=latitude

As far as we know, said project only exists in latitude's mind, and the only public information about it is that he may or may not still have plans for a "secure chat" program. I'd be hard-pressed to call that an "existing project", since for all practical purposes, it isn't.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by meritt »

jessaustin wrote: post #81
latitude wrote: post #47

Oh, I see you helped yourselves to my Secure Chat logo - http://dribbble.com/shots/479881-Secure-Chat http://logopond.com/gallery/detail/165288 https://www.google.ca/search?q=secure+chat+logo - first page hit too Not cool at all, "cool guys around the world". -- (edit) Regardless of whether this was copied, over-inspired or independently conceived (but let's be realistic here), the generally accepted rule of the game…

An hour in, a complaint about icon-plagiarism-via-anonymous-bikeshedding-session is still the top comment on HN for a software project with ambitious technical goals. That in itself is a strong argument for doing one's own work and creating original icons. Assuming for the sake of discussion that Tox is or could be a technically superior solution, do they really want that obscured by this sort of extraneous bullshit?…

It'd be nice if HN allowed us to collapse entire conversations. Maybe with a TL;DR summary.

[+] [137 messages] "Bunch of people arguing about logo copyright & design for an open-source project."

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by Daiz »

meritt wrote: post #124
jessaustin wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An hour in, a complaint about icon-plagiarism-via-anonymous-bikeshedding-session is still the top comment on HN for a software project with ambitious technical goals. That in itself is a strong argument for doing one's own work and creating original icons. Assuming for the sake of discussion that Tox is or could be a technically superior solution, do they really want that obscured by this sort of extraneous bullshit?…

It'd be nice if HN allowed us to collapse entire conversations. Maybe with a TL;DR summary. [+] [137 messages] "Bunch of people arguing about logo copyright & design for an open-source project."

>It'd be nice if HN allowed us to collapse entire conversations.

There's a whole bunch of extensions/plugins/userscripts for HN out there, including ones that implement thread hiding. I personally use Hacker News Enhancement Suite for Chrome.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by syjer »

osth wrote: post #84

Questions: 0. How important is simplicity (modularity) to the project? 1. Will Tox work for user "idontrungentoo"? Will it compile on Solaris, BSD, etc. 2. Will the GUI be optional? If not, why is it mandatory? 3. Can Tox work without DHT? What if two users just want to call each other without connecting to tens, hundreds or thousands of strangers? If there are problems with the DHT, are they SOL? It would be good to…

from the github repo:

0: it's a lib, and there are at least 2 client being developed (ncurse and qt)

1: it currently compile on linux/os x/window

2: see 0.

3: no, but you could potentially host a "private" boostrap node and have a separate network.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by syjer »

dpenning wrote: post #118
irungentoo wrote: post #20

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>Lossless UDP? Is there a reason not to do TCP? Hole punching. >There is no way to know if the public key is genuine, so the system is very sensitive to MITM. If you want to add someone you need their public key (their id) which is 32bytes (It's small because we use ECC instead of RSA). Unless someone somehow replaces the key (your id) when you give it to your friend the system should be secure. >The key exchange is…

I'm not sure if you understood what MITM(man in the middle attacks) actually means. I will give you a high level example of what he is talking about. your software displays a public key to perform encryption. what 'the NSA' can do is put a proxy (or use your isp) in between you and the person you are sending data to. Then they can pose as the person you are sending data to by hosting their own public key to both you…

If I understood their code/doc, the public keys must be exchanged out of band.

So how could the proxy pass for another person?

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by latitude »

Daiz wrote: post #123
3825 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The project that Latitude[1] was talking about. I am not saying you are legally obligated to do something (IANAL). I am just saying it is common courtesy. Trust me. The logo does not make or break your program. https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=latitude

As far as we know, said project only exists in latitude's mind, and the only public information about it is that he may or may not still have plans for a "secure chat" program. I'd be hard-pressed to call that an "existing project", since for all practical purposes, it isn't.

You are asserting a made-up argument. Having an active public project behind a logo is not a necessary condition for not re-purposing the logo for another project. This particular concept just happens to be taken.

Every good logo is trivial in retrospect, it's finding a strong concept that's a bitch. I looked at /gd/ thread and virtually all of it revolves around shaping a keyhole this way or that way. Then suddenly someone says - "Here, done". Turning an empty space into a chat bubble requires a step up, it's an altogether stronger and more complex concept. It is possible that another person came up with it independently, but also consider that with all the variety of secure messaging apps no one had thought of it before 2012. It's not an easy concept to stumble upon.

(edit) This is getting meta. It is plenty obvious that Tox fellas think they are in the clear and it's OK to recycle an existing logo. I think that it's not. That's hard to reconcile.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by spacelizard »

kostyakow wrote: post #21

Tox aims to be a secure replacement for Skype. There's several other similar projects, but they are usually hard to set up and use for an average user. Tox is FLOS software developed by community, and currently licensed under GPLv3. We are considering changing the license to something more permissive, so it would be possible to put it on the App & Win8 Stores. Currently, it is in really early stages of development. B…

I don't see the point of changing to a more permissive license just to get on the iOS and WP8 app stores. Those devices are all compromised to begin with.

Re: Tox: secure messaging for everyone

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Post by loumf »

Craigpd wrote: post #99
latitude wrote: post #95

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> As such, why not just leave the logo of Tox in peace? I have plans for it. It wasn't just an idle doodle.

And I'm quite sure that the logo's in the link below are intended to be used or are IN use. So, tell me, why are these companies with many highly experienced legal advisers not fighting eachother over a logo? http://img.ctrlv.in/img/51f6b5b849ebf.jpg

You can trademark using a round M for burgers, but that doesn't get you the trademark for banks. Witness Apple Records and Apple Computers.

In this case, the products/ideas are straight-up competitors.

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