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Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Post by lloeki »

csallen wrote: post #114
auctiontheory wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's what Filters and Labels are for.

Exactly. It astonishes me how few people make use of filters and labels.

Rewind to 10 years ago.

- "Hey I'm most in a sea of spam!"

- "That's what rules and folders are about. It astonishes me how few people like to spend days constructing manual filters to weed out spam from their inbox"

Someone adds Bayesian filtering to MUAs/MDAs, classifying mail as (SPAM|NOT SPAM). The world rejoices as the intricate filter building interface got reduced to two buttons, and the complexity of combating spam went from O(n) to O(1), and email became manageable again.

Fast forward to present time

- "Hey, now that the problem of spam is solved, email is useful again. So useful in fact that I'm now lost in a sea of emails!"

- "That's what filters and labels are about. It astonishes me how few people like to spend days constructing manual filters to classify email"

Someone adds Bayesian filtering to MUAs/MDAs, classifying mail as (X|NOT X), for interesting values of X. The world rejoices as the intricate filter building interface got reduced to two buttons, and the complexity of classifying email went from O(n) to O(1), and email became manageable again.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Post by lsc »

johnyzee wrote: post #14

GMail is deteriorating. I loathe the new 'reduced' inline reply UI. Half the time I am searching for how to reveal the sender address or subject field because I need to change them, but GMail seems to think this is an edge use case. Today I got the new tabbed inboxes - 'Primary', 'Social' and 'Promotions'. Lots of important email is now out of view from the primary inbox and buried with unimportant crap. This is so f…

I wonder how long it will take for people to realize that putting something as important as mail on a UI they don't control is a bad idea?

How long after that before google disables IMAP access to gmail?

hm. maybe I should start offering (paid) IMAP mail service again.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Post by josteink »

Simucal wrote: post #65
thejosh wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tabbed inbox is terrible. Click the gear icon on the right, then click 'Configure Inbox' Untick every checkbox but Primary, then click Save. It's now saner.

I realize this is subjective, but I personally love the tabbed inbox. Having all the "promotional" emails I get sent moved to a separate tab where I only have to look at them when I want to has completely tamed my inbox. My primary tab now only has messages that I care about. I only wish it was implemented in a way that all clients could utilize it. I personally don't use the Gmail iOS client because I have several w…

> Having all the "promotional" emails I get sent moved to a separate tab where I only have to look at them when I want to has completely tamed my inbox.

Personally, I like getting these sorts of emails in my face so that I can click "unsubscribe" instantly and never worry about them flooding my inbox again.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Post by monkeypizza »

glomph wrote: post #27
gsharma wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It bothers me that neither fastmail or freron have full screenshots of their interface. What reason can they have to not put a tour/screenshots section on the site?

They do offer a free trial although that isn't made obvious. Here is a screenshot I took on sign up: http://i.imgur.com/f7bhNVE.png

I signed up for their free trial, and when it expired they sent me DAILY all caps messages (with no opt-out, no autologin link, from a noreply address) screaming at me about needing to update my credit card details.

I like their service & want more people to leave gmail, so I signed up to make a suppor request (which I had to verify in true listserv fashion) and wrote a ticket trying to explain how lots of people who signed up would be expecting a web 2.0 style try & buy trial, not a real subscription service that would send them bills! And those people would be turned off by their aggro emails, but didn't seem to get through to the guy on the other end.

So I think fastmail is still pretty oldschool internally (which is a good thing on the security & privacy aspects!) and would be well-served making more modern demos and explanations so they can directly suck people into a non-NSA gmail competitor that has a sweet UI with keyboard shortcuts, good searching etc.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Post by reledi »

auctiontheory wrote: post #89
Simucal wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I realize this is subjective, but I personally love the tabbed inbox. Having all the "promotional" emails I get sent moved to a separate tab where I only have to look at them when I want to has completely tamed my inbox. My primary tab now only has messages that I care about. I only wish it was implemented in a way that all clients could utilize it. I personally don't use the Gmail iOS client because I have several w…

That's what Filters and Labels are for.

I make heavy use of filters and labels, so much that it's become messy. This new tabbed inbox is a welcome addition.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Post by josteink »

I remember back when I was proud to have managed to get a gmail-invite.

Gmail was so ahead of everyone else it wasn't even fun. It was even ahead of desktop-clients, which at the time was no small feat. Those were the days of full-page-reload (X)HTML4 pages and the best webmail on the market made people prefer text-mode clients like "pine" instead.

Web surpassing the desktop in user experience during those days were literally unheard of.

Those days are long gone. These days I'm looking for whatever looks like a viable replacement. I really want to get out.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Post by Tomis02 »

eli wrote: post #19
colmvp wrote: post #9

Speaking of e-mail, why does Gmail show a different total number of search results depending on which 'page' you're viewing it from the search results? At least Yahoo gives the exact number. Example: http://i.imgur.com/n1qeN3i.gif

It's an estimate. It would add additional time to the search to calculate an exact number.

A very poor estimate.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Post by rachelbythebay »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #94
johnyzee wrote: post #14

GMail is deteriorating. I loathe the new 'reduced' inline reply UI. Half the time I am searching for how to reveal the sender address or subject field because I need to change them, but GMail seems to think this is an edge use case. Today I got the new tabbed inboxes - 'Primary', 'Social' and 'Promotions'. Lots of important email is now out of view from the primary inbox and buried with unimportant crap. This is so f…

Yes, it is nearly unusable for me now and it is getting worse. I've thought a lot about it and I believe the problem is related to the requirement of getting new users. Back when Gmail was 'new' it had to be like Eudora or another standalone mail program (or Netscape Communicator if you remember that far back) in order to convert people. It did a good job, but 'new' people, people who have never used a standalone ema…

You'd think they'd put together another team and make a separate frontend. I mean, surely they can build two web interfaces to the same backend storage servers, right? They should have plenty of programmers to throw at the problem.

The fact this hasn't happened probably says a lot about the situation, both technically and politically.

Re: Yahoo Mail is not catching up anymore

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Post by josteink »

masnick wrote: post #10

If you're tired of the gmail interface (like I was), I'd highly recommend http://fastmail.fm . I made the switch (moved 55k+ messages with http://protips.maxmasnick.com/export-gmail-to-fastmail-or-an... ) and haven't looked back. FastMail offers a similar infinite scroll feature. I was able to select and move several thousand messages through the web interface when I was first configuring it. FastMail's highlights fo…

Thanks to you, I'm now trialing fastmail. You also get one upvote for imapcopy.pl.

That thing looks like a godsend for mail-migration to whatever non-Google service I end up using.

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