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Great... anybody think this planet is going to hell or is it just me? The creation of the space ship will be credited to some guy trying to live some place with proper privacy. The possible future described in the series Firefly seems to be more realistic every day. The only difference will the the reason for the war will be privacy.

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Dutch person here with a little insight what's to come for you guys. Some information about our tiny little country (in Wester Europe, very pro-US) with just 17 million people. Our government listens in on more calls every year than in the whole of the US combined. All our telecommunications providers are forced to have the capability to intercept all traffic (phone and internet). Encrypted data must be stored for an…

Weird thing is, nobody seems to care. I care, it's one of the reasons I will keep voting for the pirate party.

Same here, and it confuses the hell out of me. Everytime i tell someone about yet-another-privacy-issue, and each time they answer "well, i have nothing to hide".

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Dutch person here with a little insight what's to come for you guys. Some information about our tiny little country (in Wester Europe, very pro-US) with just 17 million people. Our government listens in on more calls every year than in the whole of the US combined. All our telecommunications providers are forced to have the capability to intercept all traffic (phone and internet). Encrypted data must be stored for an…

> Our government listens in on more calls every year than in the whole of the US combined.

Are you saying your country talks on the phone more than the USA? Every one of our phone calls gets recorded. Check out "Mark Klein", he's a whistleblower, formerly of AT&T.

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The absolute easiest thing? Outrage + phone calls / letters. It would take a mere 1% of the US population to give a shit, and it would light D.C. up like a Christmas tree. Bury their phones and inboxes in just a few hundred thousand calls and emails per day and every member of Congress would instantly stand to attention and respond positive. It's such a trivial % of the overall population as to be disgusting that it…

Indeed. Nothing is going to change until there is a collapse. Even then I fear what fills the power void will be worse than what you have now. The reason no one cares is because most Americans are in a comatose state. I've traveled to most US cities and some places in between and it continues to shock me just how stupid the average american is. They're drugged out on corn syrup, anti-depressants, street drugs and see…

@adventured Maybe you haven't travelled outside America enough to notice?

You make the mistake of correlating wealth with the intelligence of the average person. The average person did not build the businesses that made America. And capital is a powerful tool, properly managed it grows exponentially.

By the way the average Chinese person is starter than the average American. Intelligence is not the same as education. Nor does having running water make you any smarter than someone who does not.

IQ's by nation. http://www.sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm

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Fellow Dutchman here, and I couldn't agree more. I actually helped building the electronic patient file in two major hospitals, and I can't tell you enough about the massive clusterfuck that is. The government requires you to finish it before a certain date, only they provide you with the exact requirements after that date. Basic security measures like encrypting data? No way! To me, America is still the land of the…

Another "Dutchie" here! :)

woohoo! Amsterdam!

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Dutch person here with a little insight what's to come for you guys. Some information about our tiny little country (in Wester Europe, very pro-US) with just 17 million people. Our government listens in on more calls every year than in the whole of the US combined. All our telecommunications providers are forced to have the capability to intercept all traffic (phone and internet). Encrypted data must be stored for an…

> Our government listens in on more calls every year than in the whole of the US combined. Are you saying your country talks on the phone more than the USA? Every one of our phone calls gets recorded. Check out "Mark Klein", he's a whistleblower, formerly of AT&T.

To clarify: the number of subpoenas for phone taps is higher, not neccesarily the number of taps actually in place.

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. Nothing is going to change until there is a collapse. Even then I fear what fills the power void will be worse than what you have now. The reason no one cares is because most Americans are in a comatose state. I've traveled to most US cities and some places in between and it continues to shock me just how stupid the average american is. They're drugged out on corn syrup, anti-depressants, street drugs and see…

@adventured Maybe you haven't travelled outside America enough to notice? You make the mistake of correlating wealth with the intelligence of the average person. The average person did not build the businesses that made America. And capital is a powerful tool, properly managed it grows exponentially. By the way the average Chinese person is starter than the average American. Intelligence is not the same as education.…

How would a Queenslander even be able to judge the intelligence of others?

Re: Confirmed: The NSA is Spying on Millions of Americans

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The absolute easiest thing? Outrage + phone calls / letters. It would take a mere 1% of the US population to give a shit, and it would light D.C. up like a Christmas tree. Bury their phones and inboxes in just a few hundred thousand calls and emails per day and every member of Congress would instantly stand to attention and respond positive. It's such a trivial % of the overall population as to be disgusting that it…

Indeed. Nothing is going to change until there is a collapse. Even then I fear what fills the power void will be worse than what you have now. The reason no one cares is because most Americans are in a comatose state. I've traveled to most US cities and some places in between and it continues to shock me just how stupid the average american is. They're drugged out on corn syrup, anti-depressants, street drugs and see…

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