I also see a lot of contracts around 400GBP a day in London for front end folks, thats around the 100K mark per year.
Could you help point a stranger towards these contracts? Cheers.
Poll: Full-time software engineers in London, what's your annual salary?
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Re: Poll: Full-time software engineers in London, what's your annual salary?
#122The software industry here in London is really badly paid, for salaried jobs outside finance at least. I know plenty of developers who started at £20-25k as graduates from decent universities and whose salary has slowly risen to 40k over quite a few years. PhD graduates making £35-45k too.
Tell me about it.
I moved overseas to Australia from London a few years ago. Same job, same company, 60% pay rise.
Now I'm back in the UK the permanent salaries on offer seem like an insult. I have to go contracting to match it.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the City, you get hired based on a "total comp" package that includes salary and a practically guaranteed bonus, that can be as much as your base salary or even more.
Well that changes everything, maybe we should reboot this entire thread.
That is a minority of programmers, even for London.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
That tends to be the case mostly everywhere in Europe. For that matter, most places in the world outside the US (and Silicon Valley) tend not to pay software engineers very competitively. I am from a fairly small central European country and programmers there barely make more than other professions; the salaries often amount to the national average.
They pay just fine in Australia. Of course the cost of living is alsop very high.
Best of both worlds. Live in small European country. Work remotely for Australian company.
Re: Poll: Full-time software engineers in London, what's your annual salary?
#125Nice attempt, but how do you correct for bias here? What type of people visit HN? What type of people visit HN that come from the UK? At what point of the day? Which people are happy to fill in a questionnaire that shows how little they earn? It is probably skewed in the direction of high wages. To know that I would recommend at least the same poll for another European city and for several American cities.
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
France is completely different, she is employed either hourly- a maximum of 35 hours/week- or employed daily, ie. 218 days a year (for starters). EDIT: @nawitus: Sorry but your data is totally useless for this purpose. 1) it's the whole economy, not just programmers and 2) it includes part time workers! To imply that full-time programmers in London are working on average less than a 40 hour week is so far from realit…
The average hours worked in France is 1500, UK 1600 and USA 1800[1]. Therefore if you factor in hours worked, a developer in France should be paid 83% of average salary in America and 94% of average salary in the United Kingdom. This of course assumes that everything else is equal (which is untrue). A 30k salary in UK should translate into 28k salary in France when you factor in the number of hours worked. We should…
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Re: Poll: Full-time software engineers in London, what's your annual salary?
#127Given the way the City works, do you really want us to not include bonus?
Unless the devs in question are building trading algos or other front-line work the bonus isn't often much more than other industries. The idea you're going to get a 100%+ base salary bonus when you work building order resolutions for a T2 investment bank in the City is laughable.
Re: Poll: Full-time software engineers in London, what's your annual salary?
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Wait, could you explain to us outsiders "the way the City works?" Are bonuses that important?
In the City, you get hired based on a "total comp" package that includes salary and a practically guaranteed bonus, that can be as much as your base salary or even more.
"Practically guaranteed" nowadays means about 70% probability in finance :). There are almost no hard guarantees anymore.
Re: Poll: Full-time software engineers in London, what's your annual salary?
#129As someone debating whether to do a Mathematics vs Computer Science vs Joint Honours, I'd really like to hear from graduates what worked out for them. - As a developer, how often are skills from CompSci degree applied on the job? - What do you wish you knew about the job market as an undergrad? - How much part did the prestige of your university play in your current salary?
I did two years of computer science, then quit. I use very little of what I learnt, and the personal development (no pun intended) outside of what I was taught at university has been far more important to my career. If money is your goal, knowing how to sell yourself (in job applications and interviews) is very important. For job security and progression in general, people skills are essential . My advice? Don't both…
What about job applications? Almost every job application requires a degree in CS?
Re: Poll: Full-time software engineers in London, what's your annual salary?
#130Wow, I am shocked at the low salaries. There go my fantasies of doing software development in London. From what I've read about there's no way I could afford rents there on that salary.
And yet, I can do a bootstrap startup and my girl is unemployed (just finished her PhD and now looking for an academic position) and we do alright on a combined salary around ~£1.1k per month take home. If you're fine living in Zone 2 or 3 ( the grey concentric circles on this map: http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/oyster-rail-services-... ). Then rent in London: Shared house/apt = ~£650 per month, private apt =…
You can definitely afford to rent in a shared house or rent a 1-bed, you can't afford rent if you need to support others.