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Re: Dumped by Google

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Post by ubersync » Tue, Apr 23, 2013, 6:04 AM UTC

sneak wrote: post #96

ubersync wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it was again re-centralized in late 90s with the advent of hotmail and all. What I wanted to say was, we need to re-decentralize it.

Gmail and Yahoo Mail and Facebook Mail and my personal mail server all stand in contradiction to your claim. Stop making things up just because you want to complain about the Google. Nobody will fault you for a simple "Fuck Google, they're demonstrably evil and have access to way too much data now," which is what it seems to me you're driving toward.

What are you even talking about! How are Gmail, Yahoo Mail and Facebook email decentralized?

And what part of my comment prompted you to believe that it was a "Fuck Google" statement?

Re: Dumped by Google

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Post by nowhereman123 » Tue, Apr 23, 2013, 6:09 AM UTC

Frankly, you are an idiot. Trusting Google was your first mistake. Putting a client's passwords or any sensitive data into a FREE SERVICE that explicitly states that your data may disappear at any time was tantamount to malpractice.

You got what you deserved.

Re: Dumped by Google

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Post by lignuist » Tue, Apr 23, 2013, 6:16 AM UTC

eropple wrote: post #36

lignuist wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paying for managed Webspace that includes email functionality.

Who runs a remotely comparable e-mail service, though? I mean, I've tried Windows Live, and that's the closest I've found and is still pretty poor.

A comparable service leads to comparable problems.

Re: Dumped by Google

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Post by eloisant » Tue, Apr 23, 2013, 6:16 AM UTC

ceph_ wrote: post #83

dendory wrote: post #66

The most interesting part was the reason he believes the account was suspended. He was working on a spreadsheet containing usernames and passwords. If that's really the case, it means some automated system scans not only your email, but documents you work on, for things like password lists, and right away assumes you're up to no good, killing your account. Scary.

Sounds like a really wild accusation to me. Is their anything to back this up besides their speculation?

The thing is, if Google actually gave some kind of explanation, there would be no room for speculation. They're the one opening to the craziest speculations are rumors.

Re: Dumped by Google

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Post by mikro2nd » Tue, Apr 23, 2013, 6:52 AM UTC

johnsbrayton wrote: post #73

josscrowcroft wrote: post #72

"Services I'd Pay For", May 2013 Edition: 1) A hands-off, hassle-free service that connects to all your Google 'properties' and backs up everything every hour, on the hour, and allows easy importing into a selection of similar replacement services if/when the Googleplex smites me down. 2) See 1).

My Mac app, CloudPull, closely resembles that description. It runs in the background on your Mac, backing up Gmail, Google Contacts, Google Calendar, Google Drive, and Google Reader. It performs backups every hour, and keeps snapshots for 90 days. You can download CloudPull from: http://www.goldenhillsoftware.com/ CloudPull is free for a single account. For $9.99, you can upgrade to get premium features including sup…

Any plans for a Linux port? Seriously, I'd love to pay you, but don't do iAnything (and for much the same reasons that I don't trust Google with much of anything these days.)

Re: Dumped by Google

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Post by fakeer » Tue, Apr 23, 2013, 7:11 AM UTC

I don't know about Analytics, never used it.

But I strongly believe search needs to be decentralized. Something like P2P. I mean it's like basic healthcare rights (or right to live) on the Internet. Without search most of the Internet is blocked for you and this mostly lies in a few corporate behemoths; no, I let me correct it - that's just one!

Or are there already services like that? I don't think DDG can simply read from Google indexes and give us the results or maybe they can but it still is dependent on indexes by Google which shuts accounts without notice and it's gone for good if you don't know anyone inside or your story is picked up from the Internet.

Re: Dumped by Google

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Post by kybernetyk » Tue, Apr 23, 2013, 7:16 AM UTC

robomartin wrote: post #117

Seriously, why does ANYONE use anything other than Google Search and Analytics? Why do you willfully choose to expose yourself and your business to what they can do to you? From the article: "A few minutes into my Google-less existence, I realized how dependent I had become. I couldn’t finish my work or my taxes, because my notes and expenses were stored in Google Drive, and I didn’t know what else I should work on b…

Can you suggest a viable alternative to Google Mail? I'm feeling uncomfortable having all my mail in Google's hands but haven't found an alternative yet.

Re: Dumped by Google

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Post by oliverhunt » Tue, Apr 23, 2013, 7:34 AM UTC

kybernetyk wrote: post #127

robomartin wrote: post #117

Seriously, why does ANYONE use anything other than Google Search and Analytics? Why do you willfully choose to expose yourself and your business to what they can do to you? From the article: "A few minutes into my Google-less existence, I realized how dependent I had become. I couldn’t finish my work or my taxes, because my notes and expenses were stored in Google Drive, and I didn’t know what else I should work on b…

Can you suggest a viable alternative to Google Mail? I'm feeling uncomfortable having all my mail in Google's hands but haven't found an alternative yet.

Fastmail (paid) or Zoho(free)

Re: Dumped by Google

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Post by cseelus » Tue, Apr 23, 2013, 7:38 AM UTC

kybernetyk wrote: post #127

robomartin wrote: post #117

Seriously, why does ANYONE use anything other than Google Search and Analytics? Why do you willfully choose to expose yourself and your business to what they can do to you? From the article: "A few minutes into my Google-less existence, I realized how dependent I had become. I couldn’t finish my work or my taxes, because my notes and expenses were stored in Google Drive, and I didn’t know what else I should work on b…

Can you suggest a viable alternative to Google Mail? I'm feeling uncomfortable having all my mail in Google's hands but haven't found an alternative yet.

Same here. I guess there is no alternative that can match GMail in terms of abailability/reliability, features, spamprotection, 3rd-party support etc. Would be nice if there was some community-driven, non-profit alternative available for such basic, albeit important things like email though.

Re: Dumped by Google

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Post by Domenic_S » Tue, Apr 23, 2013, 7:42 AM UTC

a3n wrote: post #89

Domenic_S wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Until dropbox wipes their side and waits for you to sync...

This thing happened to my ex, although it's more likely she did the wipe. She had her home machine and two office machines synched with DB, and her stuff was gone at home and Office One. We went to Office Two, disconnected from the net, turned the machine on and copied her data to USB.

That's good if you know it's coming, but if they surprise you...