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“My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost.”

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Re: “My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost.”

#121
This is just undermining the bank system. There is no reason big enough to do something like this and it appals me that some people are saying that he had it coming.

A part of it is 'dirty' and that argument is being used to validate the confiscation of working people's money and company's money which the EU's economy is based upon.

The fact that they announced this before taking a decision is just beyond stupid, any normal thinking human being knows that it's a bad approach given that they want to prevent a bank run. People in other countries are fearing that the same procedure will happen to them. This has a way bigger impact than just some companies and some rich people and some bad russians, they are just harming the image of banks in whole Europe.

Next to that fact, OP has a medium sized business, people work there, wages can't be paid, this has a major influence on companies all over Europe and everyone who works there. OP put his money in Cyprus because it was profitable, is that a bad thing? You have to choose paths that are most profitable for your company and he didn't put it in some obscure market, it was backed by a bank, we generally trust banks.

Now they want to prevent a bank run, this is just a ticking timebomb. Whenever the 300 euro/day rule doesn't apply anymore, there will be a bank run. No money will be going into the bank anytime soon. They are going to regret this.

Re: “My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost.”

#122
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An issue with Greek culture? Yes but what about Spain, Italy and Portugal, Ireland - and now maybe Slovenia? They also have immense problems thanks to their Euro status. Truth is that these counties should never have been asked to join the Euro in the first place and this problem will never be fixed while they remain. However it's the big cosy idea that counts in the minds of the Eurocrats, never mind the human cost.…

They are all dealing with their own problems, it's just that almost every country is dealing with their issues instead of postponing it. You can picture it as going through therapy or adolescence. And boy what a drama that is...

Growing up doesn't usually involve reducing a person's responsibilities. With the advent of the ECB that's what's happened. Now every little eurozone country has to get used to working with interest rates that are effectively set to suit Germany.

In the noughties that meant having cheap money because Germany was in the doldrums. Of course fiscal policies could have been used to dampen down demand in the overheated peripheral economies at that time. And to a certain extent there were. In Ireland, in about 2002, there was a very generous tax-free savings scheme if people to put away money for 5 years. Practically everyone who had the money bought into it to the maximum limit allowed. It was completely inadequate though and a lot more should have been done.

However the trend in Europe is also to harmonise fiscal policy. So to me it looks like, if we know what's good for us, we will all have to get into line with the German economy. In the future we will be paying ever closer attention to internal German politics and economic affairs. Maybe that's a good thing, the Germans do seem to know how to run an economy but I don't think 'growing up' is a metaphor I'd use for it.

Re: “My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost.”

#123
post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forget that Cyprus' banks are bankrupt because the did bad investments; it's not as if "the IMF wanted to restructure Cyprus' banking system" because they woke up one morning and just felt like that.

I didn't mention it because the previous poster made a very valid point about ethnic Greeks speaking Greek next to Greece investing in Greek assets. However there was no reason as to why a country with such a small economy should come up with an arbitrary 6 billion euro for a 10 billion euro bailout beyond forcing political will over a small country to send a signal to others. If you need 10 billion euros, you're not…

Unless there are very very big deposits in your banks relative to your GDP...

I'm not saying that this solution is ideal or "really fair", but when you deposit your money in a bank that gives very high interests compared to other banks in the same currency, you should know you're assuming higher risks. And it isn't fair that if everything goes well you keep the interests, if it goes bad someone else pays for the risk.

Re: “My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost.”

#125
The OP does not seem to understand that the bank account was not robbed by European Commission, it was just lost because it was a bad investment.

He put money in a bank that failed. Presumably, he made the investment for reasons of convenience of operating the capital in Cyprus, but also because the particular bank he chose was paying high interest rates. It was paying high interest rates because everyone knew the risk was high. The risk materialised. Who is surprised?

EU helps a bit but is not prepared to compensate him for losses; this is not a fault of the European Commission.

I'm a bit short of sympathy because of this blaming of Merkel, Rehn et al. They're not perfect, but they are not culpable for this loss.

Cyprus has had tax as percentage of GDP at below 40 %. Northern Europe is closer to 50 %. If you had wanted buffers provided by the state, you should have collected taxes to do so. Alternatively, you could have stayed out of the euro, and then the government could just print money and rescue the banks. Of course, outside the euro you wouldn't have been such a great haven for grey and black Russian money.

Re: “My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost.”

#126
post #74
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, if some country (and as you say Europe) where still primary mode of parking your earnings is banks what are other options to play safe in case such a seizure happens? Real estate is one I can see. What else? Gold, you will have to keep in a bank in the end. What about shares, aren't they somehow related to sth deposited in a bank? I mean, how do you safeguard your savings then?

There seems to be some confusion as to what a bank is on this board. Every time you deposit say $1 with a bank, they lend out $.90 of it at interest for mortgages, payrolls, etc. It's these investments the bank makes that can (and do) wreck money. The government of the US and EU recognize this risk for most people is detrimental and offer insurance on the first 100,000 deposited. The phrase "seized account" does not…

"Every time you deposit say $1 with a bank, they lend out $.90 of it at interest for mortgages, payrolls, etc."

Actually, when you deposit $1, they loan out about $9 (maybe a bit less nowadays, but still a multiple of the $1 being put in). That's what the 'fractional' in 'fractional reserve banking' comes from.

Re: “My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost.”

#127

Oh boohoo. The OP appears to forget that without the European Commission, all of his money would be lost. It's like getting mad at the guy who chainsaws you out of the car that you folded around a tree because he sawed your car into two pieces.

If anything he should be angry at his accountant. I assume he has one if he has 800k. How many wake up calls does someone need. In the UK when banks were failing, before there was a solution the Government said they would guarantee the first £50k of savers. It might have then gone up to £100k.

My parents who have a fairly large sum of money hired a decent accountant to mitigate a large portion of the risk. Spreading their money between a fairly large number of bank accounts.

You then look at when Iceland banks failed. Lots of people lost money.

The Cyprus banking sector size was ridiculous. It was 7x Cyprus GDP. If the sector failed it was fairly obvious Cyprus would be unable to save it. You have no idea what the terms would be of a bailout or if a small country like Cyprus would get one..

So back to my main point. Get a decent accountant. Understand where your money is going.

Re: “My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost.”

#128
The EU has nothing to do with it it's cyprus that can't keep it's economy afloat.

If i got to decide the EU should have let your contry go bankrupt fall in to civil war, but hey we decided to lend you money to stop that.

But yes blame the very people that helped you from loosing all your money. That seems like a good idea....

Re: “My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost.”

#129
post #21

What is the poster suggesting? EC should've stayed out and let the banks go bankrupt? Oh I know, they should've just covered all the tax haven banks losses.

EC should have treated Cyprus in same manner they treat other countries which are part of Euro Zone. If they can bail out Greece without a haircut which actually caused crisis in Cyprus, why do this against Cyprus? Also it might be a tax haven for others , but for Cypriots its their country. And this haircut is applied to everybody who has deposits in the Cypriot branches of Laikie bank but Same bank has branches in…

Why should they be treated the same when they are clearly not the same.
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