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Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by clhodapp »

dlitz wrote: post #67
jcoder wrote: post #19

"The Editor You Need To Read (At Least) Two Books On To Use Well" Read :help. I haven't read any books on Vim so I'm not sure if there are any good ones, but you most definitely do not "need" to read one. "The point of a mouse is to make arbitrary on screen jumps efficient, and it’s very good at doing that. Don’t you ever think you can beat a mouse. Only in very few edge cases will it even matter." That's kind of rid…

You don't even need to read :help right away. All you need to do is: 1. Start the graphical version, i.e. gvim, MacVim, or any version with drop-down menus. 2. Press 'i' to enter "Insert mode". Now just use it like any other text editor. 3. Use the menus. Note the equivalent commands (which are listed in the menus). When you want to use those commands, press ESC to switch to command mode, then enter the commands, the…

If that's how someone is using Vim, they truly, seriously, should not be using Vim. Sublime really would be better for such a user.

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by lefinita »

ebbv wrote: post #25

Am I the only person in the world who: a) Never thought vim was that hard to learn (and I first learned it when I was a teenager and nobody helped me. I switched when someone on a MUD made fun of me for using pico.) and b) Thinks vanilla vim works just fine. Seriously my vimrc is like 10 lines long and I don't even have it on every server I work on. I don't bother with any plugins. I don't need vim integrated with gi…

I'm absolutely agree with you, using Vim just to editing text, nothing more.

Sometime, Vim user tend to make their Vim into full-fledged IDE, like completion, file-browser, etc. That things I though, makes Vim user gone insane.

Seriously, Vim just for editing text, nothing more, nothing more.

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by oelmekki »

In the next article : "Buy a lot of software and don't learn programming. It's hard, and after four years, I still can't write anything someone else didn't do better !"

Not only I can confirm that after 7 years of vim, I feel really more productive than when I use any "intuitive" editor, but now I've remap all my window management (either X or tmux) to similar mapping.

One point I can agree, though : vimscript is a real pain in the ass, which defeats what Bram Moolenaar say should be our process - detect repetition and automatize it seamlessly. [1] It will only be empowered when we'll have a full featured language to do so.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6K4iIMlouI

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by jhchabran »

ozataman wrote: post #107
tracker1 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to agree with TFA here... I just don't see the point, and never have. When I'm in an editor, I mainly want to type, and have what I type go in where I type it... I like pico/nano over vi/vim/emacs. I like sublime, but a lot of functionality is only keyboard accessible, and I haven't take n the time to learn hot keys... why I would really love is having my editor, and a couple command/console prompts in the sam…

I don't mean to disregard what you said or insult your approach just because it is different than mine, but I can't tell you how much vim/emacs have boosted my productivity. Not only am I at least 30%+ faster while coding, but in general the process is so well oiled that I have near-0 resistance to just jumping in and getting something done. I jump around in code like crazy, can jump to different files instantly no m…

"near-0 resistance" nails it.

As a Vim user, I consider the whole productivity thing about it quite over-rated. Yes it's efficient, yes it's faster, but in the end, anyone with a decent editor is going to go faster after a while.

The point is comfort. Once vim's mechanics are assimilated, you starts to memorize meaningful sequence of letters, like ci". And those sequences are just words you're typing, so typing code or entering commands is exactly the same thing.

And none of this require going too far frome the home row with your hands. This in my opinion is why Vim is so good :)

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by readme »

shardling wrote: post #56
ebbv wrote: post #25

Am I the only person in the world who: a) Never thought vim was that hard to learn (and I first learned it when I was a teenager and nobody helped me. I switched when someone on a MUD made fun of me for using pico.) and b) Thinks vanilla vim works just fine. Seriously my vimrc is like 10 lines long and I don't even have it on every server I work on. I don't bother with any plugins. I don't need vim integrated with gi…

>Never thought vim was that hard to learn (and I first learned it when I was a teenager and nobody helped me. I switched when someone on a MUD made fun of me for using pico.) I'm pretty sure as a teenager is the best time to learn such tools. :P

Yeah, I learned Vim before I was a professional programmer, too. I think that practicing programmers get more frustrated, because the learning curve is really disrupting their productivity.

I started with gvim, then eventually got comfortable. I never felt like I had to cram down vim facts. I just took them as they came.

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by trowftd »

nnq wrote: post #117
ebbv wrote: post #25

Am I the only person in the world who: a) Never thought vim was that hard to learn (and I first learned it when I was a teenager and nobody helped me. I switched when someone on a MUD made fun of me for using pico.) and b) Thinks vanilla vim works just fine. Seriously my vimrc is like 10 lines long and I don't even have it on every server I work on. I don't bother with any plugins. I don't need vim integrated with gi…

> what kind of medication the OP stopped taking The OP has a really "sane" take on things imho (yes, it's incredibly opinionated , but it's blog post featured on HN, not a SO question someone like you can close in minute :) - and I'm glad he bothered to write it, as I'd probably just send the link to it to any newbies asking me about "the magical vim" instead of bothering to tell them what I think) and he's right on…

Notepad++ is good enough until you need to do a regex search that includes new lines in it.

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by Bitwse »

TallboyOne wrote: post #69

These articles are just idiotic. Mouse as fast as the keyboard except a 'few edge cases'? Get out of here. Vim destroys using a mouse every day of the week, and unless the highest skillset you've learned is fingerpainting, it's not that hard. Sit down for 2 days, stop being a bitch, learn the keybindings, and you're good.

Mostly agree. Easy motion does wonders for jumping to arbitrary places.

Re: Just Use Sublime Text

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Post by Osiris »

jussij wrote: post #85
Osiris wrote: post #58

One of the talking points I hear a lot about VIM is that you can do a lot with keyboard. All kinds of fancy shortcuts to move, delete, paste text, etc. I've used VIM (casually), Sublime Text, and other IDEs. Currently I'm using PhpStorm and I have to say, that thing has keyboard shortcuts that do all kinds of awesome things. Jump to a function by name, jump to the next function, duplicate the current line(s), move cu…

> Jump to a function by name, jump to the next function, ctags allows you to do this. > duplicate the current line(s), move current line up/down, select current word/line, open file by partial name, Any scriptable editor can do these sorts of things via a simple macro script. Now, yes the user would need to create the script, but in most case that would take less than a dozen lines of code. And once created, the scri…

I've used the ctags plugin for Sublime Text and it's pretty damn awful. Maybe it's just with PHP, but it seems to look only at symbol names and doesn't do any static analysis of the code, so if I have several functions named the same thing in various files ctags has no idea which one it should look up.

It's also not up-to-the-second. It has to re-run an analysis of the whole project to update its db. It doesn't update it's cache as you edit a file. Not sure if that's ctags in general or just the ST2 plugin.

Still, the point the author is making is that to make VIM useable you have to use a lot of plugins to get what you want while many IDEs provide it out of the box without the user needing to figure out what plugins/addons/scripts/config files to setup to get it to work.

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