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Re: Bootstrap 3 preview

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Post by mikegirouard »

Something that always bothered me about Bootstrap is that the examples don't make full use of HTML5, although…

    Bootstrap makes use of certain HTML elements and CSS
    properties that require the use of the HTML5 doctype. 
    Include it at the beginning of all your projects.
The two examples that immediately come to mind are NAVs[1] and progress bars[2]; HTML5 already defines these elements. Why reinvent the wheel?

[1]: http://rc.getbootstrap.com/components/#navs [2]: http://rc.getbootstrap.com/components/#progress

Re: Bootstrap 3 preview

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Post by jbackus »

alexvr wrote: post #31

Not sure if I like this at all. I think they need to call it Bootstrap 3: flat and fat! It just seems like a huge step back to me. It's not even an elegant "flat" design; it's like they scrapped everything and decided to make all classes (even buttons for God's sake) DIVs of different colors. The new navbar, for example, is literally a gray DIV with rounded edges. I use Bootstrap on my web app because I care about de…

> The new navbar, for example, is literally a gray DIV with rounded edges

Maybe the motivation behind this change is to make the navbar look a bit less twitter-y out of the box?

Re: Bootstrap 3 preview

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Post by baby »

gavinballard wrote: post #107
baby wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird that the Grid section is buried in the CSS section where it's the most important. See, I like that Foundation starts by explaining directly how the grid system works. That columns need to be in rows, etc... Overall Bootstrap's documentation is better, but it lacks this Grid System first approach. Still no border-sizing:border-box. Which makes me still root for Foundation. Buuut, there is now a better nesting (F…

I believe Bootstrap 3 does in fact use border-box - hence the padded grids and a major driver behind the drop in support for IE7.

No signs of border-box in the code.

Re: Bootstrap 3 preview

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Post by gavinballard »

baby wrote: post #123
gavinballard wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe Bootstrap 3 does in fact use border-box - hence the padded grids and a major driver behind the drop in support for IE7.

No signs of border-box in the code.

https://github.com/twitter/bootstrap/blob/3.0.0-wip/less/gri...

You might be looking at the 2.3.1 (master) branch, which didn't use border-box :).

Re: Bootstrap 3 preview

#125

Post by subsection1h »

mikegirouard wrote: post #121

Something that always bothered me about Bootstrap is that the examples don't make full use of HTML5, although… Bootstrap makes use of certain HTML elements and CSS properties that require the use of the HTML5 doctype. Include it at the beginning of all your projects. The two examples that immediately come to mind are NAVs[1] and progress bars[2]; HTML5 already defines these elements. Why reinvent the wheel? [1]: http…

When I evaluated the use of HTML5 section elements last year, including the nav element, screen readers didn't support them.[1] Also, there wasn't any benefit to using HTML5 section elements.

A book named The Truth About HTML5[2] provides additional reasons not to use HTML section elements.

I've yet to read about any benefits to using HTML5 section elements.

[1] http://www.accessibleculture.org/articles/2011/10/jaws-ie-an...

[2] http://www.truthabouthtml5.com/

Re: Bootstrap 3 preview

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Post by __david__ »

lowboy wrote: post #120
camus wrote: post #116

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I hope you understand that global usage is totally irrelevant, when as a web developer you need to target a specific audience. If your audience is public businesses ie7 shares whill not be just 1% of your target. If you care only about people using browsers at home,then you are not doing your job.

I hope you understand that global usage is totally relevant, when as a web developer you don't have a specific audience to target. Can you elaborate on usage stats of "public businesses" and where you got those from? If you have usage stats on your audience, then use them. Otherwise, go with the global usage, or at least your country/continent.

Are you saying web developers aren't developing to a specific target audience? Or do you mean that if you don't have metrics yet then you might as well use someone's global numbers?

Re: Bootstrap 3 preview

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Post by lowboy »

__david__ wrote: post #126
lowboy wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope you understand that global usage is totally relevant, when as a web developer you don't have a specific audience to target. Can you elaborate on usage stats of "public businesses" and where you got those from? If you have usage stats on your audience, then use them. Otherwise, go with the global usage, or at least your country/continent.

Are you saying web developers aren't developing to a specific target audience? Or do you mean that if you don't have metrics yet then you might as well use someone's global numbers?

The latter.

Re: Bootstrap 3 preview

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Post by rip747 »

i really wish they wouldn't lock form into being horizontal or inline by putting a class on the form tag itself, but rather by using the fieldset tag. The whole reason is because sometime when you are doing a large form, some sections just flow better as an inline rather then a horizontal and vica-versa. I submitted a ticket about this a while back, but it must have been overruled.
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