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Re: Flat UI DMCA Takedown

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Post by lucisferre »

kayoone wrote: post #83
supercoder wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I lost respect for LayerVault when their software that I paid what I thought was good money for totally corrupted the PSD of an entire project that had 2 months worth of work put into it. I thought I had a backup on my laptop, desktop, remote backup from my desktop and all the revisions on their server. But all revisions were corrupted and it synced those bad copies to all my machines, including the machine that perf…

This is bad but it also looks like you didnt have a proper backup strategy. Their service looks like a versioning/syncing service but not a backup service.

It's understandable to think that, but look at it this way: If Git did this sort of thing Hg would have won that battle hands down. I realize designers don't have any alternatives and this is one of the first solutions out there, but it is really important it be well built or at a minimum that they, LayerVault that is, provide a solid backup strategy to ensure they protect their users.

Re: Flat UI DMCA Takedown

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Post by DanBC »

simonlc wrote: post #113
DanBC wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could understand a DMCA if the icons were direct copies and if FlatUI had not responded to any email requests. Even then it's a good idea to put up a quick and easy comparison sheet. But for things like "3 cogs" (cogs are different sizes, different colours, different numbers of teeth, different orientation) it's ridiculous to DMCA it. 3 Cogs is so generic that it's an annoyance to engineers. (Because the cogs are u…

> HN is generally pretty good when people rip off a design. Remember Svbtle?

Yes. Many people supported dcurtis and were angry at the blatant rip off. Also, many people were annoyed at dcurtis and felt he brought it on himself by acting like an idiot.

Re: Flat UI DMCA Takedown

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Post by DanBC »

hackmiester wrote: post #114
simonlc wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> HN is generally pretty good when people rip off a design. Remember Svbtle?

I don't. Can you explain?

An HN member created a new blog thing; invite only; very designery. They were trying to build a brand for great writing. The way it was presented to the HN audience was sub-optimal - "Here's the great new shiny thing. You can't use it, you're all stupid."

Someone very quickly ripped it off.

There was intense discussion. Some people felt it's fair game to rip off the design. Other people felt it was a poor copy. Others were angry that it was such a blatant rip off (especially because it was so bad).

I've tried to describe this as neutrally as possible, but I understand it will sound pretty biased.

Re: Flat UI DMCA Takedown

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Post by L4mppu »

DanBC wrote: post #82
kyro wrote: post #59

So, both sides have pretty much spoken, and what irks me the most is that the LayerVault guys haven't provided any concrete evidence to support their claims; they've posted vague responses and joked about DMCA'ing their friends on Twitter. There's also the question of why they would even pursue something like this. A simple Risks/Benefits analysis would've surely led most people not to issue a DMCA over a few icons t…

I could understand a DMCA if the icons were direct copies and if FlatUI had not responded to any email requests. Even then it's a good idea to put up a quick and easy comparison sheet. But for things like "3 cogs" (cogs are different sizes, different colours, different numbers of teeth, different orientation) it's ridiculous to DMCA it. 3 Cogs is so generic that it's an annoyance to engineers. (Because the cogs are u…

Comparison image for anyone who is interested. http://imgur.com/ejGIlx0 Left one is Flat UI and right one is Layer Vault.

Re: Flat UI DMCA Takedown

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Post by CamperBob2 »

donpark wrote: post #17

I think these are the icons in question from LayerVault, DesignMode, and similar icons from Noun Project. http://imgur.com/IH1osAD

Is there any way they can all lose? I'm tired of seeing the same Fisher-Price icons everywhere on the Web.

Re: Flat UI DMCA Takedown

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Post by nobleach »

L4mppu wrote: post #124
DanBC wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could understand a DMCA if the icons were direct copies and if FlatUI had not responded to any email requests. Even then it's a good idea to put up a quick and easy comparison sheet. But for things like "3 cogs" (cogs are different sizes, different colours, different numbers of teeth, different orientation) it's ridiculous to DMCA it. 3 Cogs is so generic that it's an annoyance to engineers. (Because the cogs are u…

Comparison image for anyone who is interested. http://imgur.com/ejGIlx0 Left one is Flat UI and right one is Layer Vault.

Anyone else troubled by the idea of three interlocking cogs? I mean, it's an icon meaning deadlock, right?

Re: Flat UI DMCA Takedown

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Post by notatoad »

loudin wrote: post #112

Did LayerVault try to contact Flat UI to discuss their grievances before sending a DMCA Takedown? If so, what was the result of that conversation. If not, why didn't LayerVault pursue that path before posting this to Github? We in tech need to be good to each other because other corporate interests and patent trolls won't be. We should always give each other the benefit of the doubt and try to resolve issues without…

Layervault emailed the flat UI creator to ask him to take it down, flat UI refused because they didn't believe their work was infringing. Layervault kept pestering the guy, and eventually he gave up and removed a couple of the icons. And then layervault took this cooperation to be an admission of guilt and sent a DMCA takedown notice.

Re: Flat UI DMCA Takedown

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Post by JungleGymSam »

nobleach wrote: post #126
L4mppu wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Comparison image for anyone who is interested. http://imgur.com/ejGIlx0 Left one is Flat UI and right one is Layer Vault.

Anyone else troubled by the idea of three interlocking cogs? I mean, it's an icon meaning deadlock, right?

That would make sense if all three cogs were interlocked but they are not. The top two cogs are not close enough to each other.

Re: Flat UI DMCA Takedown

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Post by mnicole »

LogicX wrote: post #98

For those upset with LayerVault's behavior, but are intrigued by their product offering, I just found http://pixelapse.com which appears to be the closest competitor: http://www.quora.com/Design/How-do-LayerVault-and-Pixelapse-...

Those that have used both are bigger fans of Pixelapse because it doesn't automatically save a "version" every time you save the file in Photoshop. Their payment tiers are also much more consumer-friendly: https://www.pixelapse.com/pricing vs. https://layervault.com/pricing
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