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What really happened at LivingSocial?

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Re: What really happened at LivingSocial?

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It's like the shareholder lawsuit shakedown, only targeting private companies.

I wonder if they have short bets (in systems like InTrade or similar shadow trading systems) on the companies they drag through the dirt.

I'd bet they do. and they probably have some hedge fund backer thats specifically creating these shorts.

Re: What really happened at LivingSocial?

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Fortune just reported that insider's confirm LivingSocial was down to JUST $28M IN CASH in February right before taking yesterday's financing? If my math is right, looking at their 2012 financials on PrivCo: http://www.privco.com/livingsocial-receives-emergency-110m-c...

Their operating expenses are about $1.4 Billion/year (Revenue + Operating loss = about $1.4 Billion they spend a year). That's $120 Million a month. $4 million a day. THEY WERE DOWN TO JUST 7 DAYS OF CASH! How is that NOT the very definition of a "distressed financing" situation? T

hey were down to a dangerously low level of cash and regardless of the financing terms or structured as technically debt or technically equity, that yes this was a distressed financing situation.

Re: What really happened at LivingSocial?

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This comes on top of an article a few days ago that (to people in the business at least) was almost as preposterous, in which their ranking criterion for VC funds was number of acquisitions. http://www.privco.com/top-20-venture-capital-firms-with-the-...

Ehh that ranking should have included IPO exits, which LP's do care about, but then again, it did expressively state that it was based on their annual M&A report.....which, given the topic, could not include ipo exits....but then again, this data is so shady, a list is better than no list.

Re: What really happened at LivingSocial?

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PrivCo has absolutely NO short positions in any private company we cover. These are PRIVATE companies and with rare exception do not trade. Nor do we earn any fees from private companies we cover (and we do NOT accept paid advertising, unless you count a the standard Google links). We have no agenda other than to try and publish facts, and what LivingSocial announced yesterday immediately struck us as misleading and…

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Re: What really happened at LivingSocial?

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But didn't he? I mean, quoting their cap number, it's obvious who he is talking about, so why not just say the name?

They are in a space where mind-share is really important. (I think that mind-share being important is a sign you are in a risky business, but that's neither here nor there.)

But to his own employees? I understand in a public PR, but his letter was internal.

Re: What really happened at LivingSocial?

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Just because privco is full of shit, doesn't mean livingsocial isn't in trouble. The sad truth is that this down round will hurt the employees more than they know, or are being told. Down rounds aren't made under the same terms as up rounds where the company has the advantage. When the investor has the advantage the terms will weigh heavily in favor of the investor protecting their cash, so what looks like equity tod…

The CNN article has been updated again: "That same source insists LivingSocial was not days or weeks away from a bankruptcy filing, adding that it had around $28 million in cash at its February low point and was on plan to steadily increase that number even without the new financing. Had that figure not increased, and had no new investment been forthcoming, it still could have survived for several more months." Regar…

Wait, they were down to JUST $28M IN CASH in February right before taking yesterday's financing? If my math is right, looking at their 2012 financials on PrivCo:

Their operating expenses are about $1.4 Billion/year (Revenue + Operating loss = about $1.4 Billion they spend a year). That's $120 Million a month. $4 million a day. THEY WERE DOWN TO JUST 7 DAYS OF CASH! How is that NOT the very definition of a "distressed financing" situation? Correct the record Primack and admit when you're wrong - there's no shame in that - that you were a bit hasty at first, but yes they were down to a dangerously low level of cash and regardless of the financing terms or structured as technically debt or technically equity, that yes this was a distressed financing situation.

Re: What really happened at LivingSocial?

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PrivCo has absolutely NO short positions in any private company we cover. These are PRIVATE companies and with rare exception do not trade. Nor do we earn any fees from private companies we cover (and we do NOT accept paid advertising, unless you count a the standard Google links). We have no agenda other than to try and publish facts, and what LivingSocial announced yesterday immediately struck us as misleading and…

Nobody is debating whether LivingSocial has a world of problems. We're debating the veracity of all of the non-public details that made your report interesting. Well, in theory we are. Only one side of the debate seems to have showed up.

CNN/Fortune story just updated again to say insiders confirm that LivingSocial was down to JUST $28M IN CASH in February right before taking yesterday's financing.

Do the math: looking at their 2012 financials on PrivCo: http://www.privco.com/livingsocial-receives-emergency-110m-c...

That is, LivingSocial's operating expenses are about $1.4 Billion/year (Revenue + Operating loss = about $1.4 Billion they spend a year). That's $120 Million a month of expenses. $4 million a day. MEANING NEW FORTUNE/CNN UPDATE to their story confirms LIVINGSOCIAL WAS DOWN TO JUST 7 DAYS OF CASH! How is that NOT the very definition of a "distressed financing" situation? Correct the record CNN and Fortune - shame on you - and admit when you're wrong - (and by the way they just deleted this posting from the article comments). LivingSocial was down to a dangerously low level of cash just as PrivCo's sources confirmed, only a week, maybe 2, left, before paychecks would start bouncing and the whole house of cards came down. This is the very definition of a "distressed financing."

Re: What really happened at LivingSocial?

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Fortune just reported that insider's confirm LivingSocial was down to JUST $28M IN CASH in February right before taking yesterday's financing? If my math is right, looking at their 2012 financials on PrivCo: http://www.privco.com/livingsocial-receives-emergency-110m-c... Their operating expenses are about $1.4 Billion/year (Revenue + Operating loss = about $1.4 Billion they spend a year). That's $120 Million a month.…

In LivingSocial's Operating loss for 2012 was a 1 time write down of goodwill (about $600 million), which is a non cash expense, so should not be included in calculation of operating expenses.
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