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Valve Pushes Out Half-Life For Linux

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Re: Valve Pushes Out Half-Life For Linux

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Post by aw3c2 »

yawgmoth wrote: post #119
aw3c2 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least gameplay-wise Black Mesa is very different from Half-Life. To me it is different in a bad, dumb, modern way. Please do not suggest that it is the same or even superior to the original game.

I found HL1 to be unplayable but loved Black Mesa. I didn't have any nostalgia factor for HL1 (I was ten and computerless in '98) but had always wanted to enjoy the game. Black Mesa made that mostly possible.

You enjoyed Black Mesa then, not Half-Life! Sorry for being so nit-picky, but I find the distinction important. You would not tell some Star Trek Deep Space Nine nerd that watching Star Trek Voyager is the same. The biggest similarity between BW and HL is the general story/setting and general level layout.

Re: Valve Pushes Out Half-Life For Linux

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Post by lloeki »

drivebyacct2 wrote: post #94
barbs wrote: post #88

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I tried this on OS X, but I get stuck running the thing I get: Error:dlopen(/Users/barbs/Library/Application Support/Steam/SteamApps/common/Counter-Strike/hw.dylib, 2): Library not loaded: release/vgui.dylib Referenced from: /Users/barbs/Library/Application Support/Steam/SteamApps/common/Counter-Strike/hw.dylib Reason: image not found Could not load hw.dylib. :(

In linux, vgui.so and vgui2.so are in the directory above. Try adding them to the LD_LIBRARY_PATH env var or whatever the OS X equivalent should be. (that maybe why it didn't work in the first place, I don't know). I guess it may be a whole different story on Mac. I haven't heard of anyone getting the native OS X Half Life running through Steam, though someone on reddit said they had it downloading...

That's DYLD_, and vanilla HL runs OOTB on OSX here.

Re: Valve Pushes Out Half-Life For Linux

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Post by kunai »

rednukleus wrote: post #91
DeepDuh wrote: post #83

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Well given (a) Valve's distaste for Microsoft's strategy and (b) their anyways insane profitability per employee I could see them at least releasing a title a few weeks earlier on linux and OSX than on Windows.

Valve's problem with Windows is that they perceive them to be going after a more closed system. Snubbing Windows for the far more closed OSX would be ridiculous, so that's never going to happen. The Linux market for games is absolutely tiny compared with Windows, so there's no way they are going to release a major title on Linux first either.

OS X is not "far more closed". Darwin, the UNIX kernel and utils that OS X runs on top of is fully free and open-source. It's just the Apple-specific APIs like Cocoa, Carbon, Quartz, Aqua and all that jazz that is closed-source and proprietary.

Can I get source access to the NT kernel on Windows? Nope. That's Microsoft's secret and novel invention that is supposedly the best OS in the world, so they have to keep it on lockdown.

Just being restrictive of what computers can run your OS does not make it closed. When has Microha$h ever supported FOSS? Think about it for a second.

Re: Valve Pushes Out Half-Life For Linux

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Post by smspence »

aw3c2 wrote: post #121
yawgmoth wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found HL1 to be unplayable but loved Black Mesa. I didn't have any nostalgia factor for HL1 (I was ten and computerless in '98) but had always wanted to enjoy the game. Black Mesa made that mostly possible.

You enjoyed Black Mesa then, not Half-Life! Sorry for being so nit-picky, but I find the distinction important. You would not tell some Star Trek Deep Space Nine nerd that watching Star Trek Voyager is the same. The biggest similarity between BW and HL is the general story/setting and general level layout.

Wow, what website am I on right now? I can't believe these pedantic crap comments are on Hacker News.

Re: Valve Pushes Out Half-Life For Linux

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Post by freehunter »

yawgmoth wrote: post #119
aw3c2 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least gameplay-wise Black Mesa is very different from Half-Life. To me it is different in a bad, dumb, modern way. Please do not suggest that it is the same or even superior to the original game.

I found HL1 to be unplayable but loved Black Mesa. I didn't have any nostalgia factor for HL1 (I was ten and computerless in '98) but had always wanted to enjoy the game. Black Mesa made that mostly possible.

I agree. Game design has come a long way since 1998. I remember playing Perfect Dark when it came out in 2000, and it was the epitome of FPS perfection. I still love it just as much today, but I can't pretend that other people are going to feel the same way. It's nostalgia, and if you don't have those fond memories of the game, you're going to notice that it is very clearly a 3D game from a decade and a half ago.

Re: Valve Pushes Out Half-Life For Linux

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Post by roc »

Zr40 wrote: post #117
roc wrote: post #116

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It's all about Microsoft's rule that you can't put anything on the "Metro" launch screen unless it's installed from the Microsoft App Store. Which means Steam and all its titles would have to be launched by explicitly navigating to the classic desktop. Which is beyond Apple's simply providing a parallel way to get software onto OSX. If Apple didn't allow icons in the Dock, unless the app came from the Mac App Store,…

With launch screen, you mean the new Start screen? All Start menu shortcuts automatically appear there (except if they appear to be uninstallers and such, but those are still searchable and can be added manually). So if you tell Steam to create Start menu shortcuts for a game, they automatically appear on the Start screen.

It seems I doubly-misunderstood the situation.

If Steam can still trivially get its third-party-bought programs onto the metro-styled start screen, the popular reporting on that situation was off.

And I can't even find a story where Gabe himself actually expresses an opinion on, or concern about, the MS App Store. His comments seem to entirely revolve around Metro being bad for desktop usability and Windows 8 not selling. So the popular reporting that Gabe was specifically upset about the store (via it's limitations) seems to have all been bullshit/editorial.

Upon digging deeper, it seems his concerns about Windows 8 aren't materially different than his comments about Vista (via complaints about DX10 being Vista-only, as Vista wasn't selling).

Re: Valve Pushes Out Half-Life For Linux

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Post by endianswap »

stonemetal wrote: post #115
shmerl wrote: post #68

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This looks interesting. So one can get the installers for these games through Steam and use them without running their client and etc.? I thought all their games require the client running and it's already DRM for me which I don't accept. Is there an easy way to filter games by this criteria on Steam itself?

Unfortunately no Steam uses its own package format, so it must run the installer the first time to get steam to unpack it. Steam provides DRM but it is up to the author of the game to use it, their own, or none as they see fit. And no Steam doesn't provide any clues as to what DRM is used by a game.

Some games have third-party DRM listed, but I have no idea if most games with such DRM are detailed in this fashion:

http://store.steampowered.com/app/35140/ 3rd-party DRM: SecuROM™ 4 machine activation limit

Re: Valve Pushes Out Half-Life For Linux

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Post by pbarnett »

alexanderh wrote: post #41
barredo wrote: post #12

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You surely meant http://www.dayofdefeat.com/

Both of you seem to have misspoke, you meant to say http://www.moddb.com/mods/action-half-life

What a small world! Never would have expected to find another AHL fan here. The map-making community for that game was absolutely amazing. There was a server than ran a a neat event around Halloween, AHL-loween, where they had a special Halloween-themed map rotation. So much fun.

Re: Valve Pushes Out Half-Life For Linux

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Post by cobrausn »

smspence wrote: post #125
aw3c2 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You enjoyed Black Mesa then, not Half-Life! Sorry for being so nit-picky, but I find the distinction important. You would not tell some Star Trek Deep Space Nine nerd that watching Star Trek Voyager is the same. The biggest similarity between BW and HL is the general story/setting and general level layout.

Wow, what website am I on right now? I can't believe these pedantic crap comments are on Hacker News.

You are on Hacker News and surprised to find pedantry?
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