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Vigilante justice is what happens when actual justice is not available. If you don't like vigilante justice, ensure actual justice.
Maybe it's worth hearing Aaron's own words to understand the folly of attacking this one person: When you’re upset with someone, all you want to do is change the way they’re acting. But you can’t control what’s inside a person’s head. Yelling at them isn’t going to make them come around, it’s just going to make them more defiant, like the GM workers who keyed the cars they made. No, you can’t force other people to ch…
Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal
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#122Ortiz was nominated to her position by Obama in 2009. She resides in Milton, MA where it just so happens Gov Patrick, Obama's close personal friend also resides. She's well-connected and a double diversity quota. She's going nowhere.
Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Vigilante justice is what happens when actual justice is not available. If you don't like vigilante justice, ensure actual justice.
Maybe it's worth hearing Aaron's own words to understand the folly of attacking this one person: When you’re upset with someone, all you want to do is change the way they’re acting. But you can’t control what’s inside a person’s head. Yelling at them isn’t going to make them come around, it’s just going to make them more defiant, like the GM workers who keyed the cars they made. No, you can’t force other people to ch…
Right now the only feedback these asshats ever see is positive. That leads to an unstable system.
Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only if it's followed up with a petition to "return all taxpayer money wasted on egoic pranks". There was always a way forward to achieving Aaron's goals that didn't involve sneaking around. Whether he was right or wrong, he knew on some level that what he was doing was, at the very least, inappropriate and potentially harmful. If not, then why attempt to hide his face? If not, why even do it at all? It's a sad and u…
> Only if it's followed up with a petition to "return all taxpayer money wasted on egoic pranks". If someone keys your car, and you spend $5,000,000 tracking them down to punish them, it doesn't mean they've wasted $5,000,000 of your money. It means you're a moron.
Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal
#125I'm not sure what this petition is trying to accomplish. Do you think, should the President fire Ms Ortiz, she would be replaced by someone completely different? Her actions are a reflection of the entire justice system; the person who replaces her will continue with the same bullying, "String 'em up in Town Square"-style tactics as she did. Everything will continue as it has been, but now the affluent, Bay-area 20-s…
That is a curious argument. The point of this petition, and everything else done to remove Ortiz, Heymann, and Garland is that it is a repeatable process. Making a spectacular example of Ortiz et. al. is a first step, but it's a fine first step. Or put it this way, would we have as many lawyers willing to shield torture had John Yoo ended up delivering pizza for a living?
What's going on with these petitions is exactly the tactic politicians use to calm the populace down when they're screaming for something to be done after a scandal or catastrophe. Removing Ortiz would give everyone the vengeance they desire but it wouldn't do a damn thing because the people qualified to replace her are all just like her.
Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think people pretty well understand the facts here. We have understood them for a long time. Current law makes everyone a criminal. Prosecutors threaten young people with excessive sentences to coerce them into plea bargains. None of this is new information. What we have lacked before is the will to do what is necessary to fix it. And if you have an idea how to do that, let's hear it. Because "heads will roll" is n…
Better suggestion: Find out first if the 30 year sentence was actually chosen to be handed down, or had to be put in place due to the way the law is currently written. If it is the latter demand the law be fixed, not the person who's job it is to enforce the law.
But we still need to do something about excessively aggressive prosecutors too, because they can still do plenty of damage with knives and guns even after we take away their nuclear weapons.
Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal
#127This petition could be a ticket and an opportunity for the administration to begin such a change... Yeah, because we all know how well Obama's "change" went. How's gitmo going? What about those executive orders? Seen any drones in the Middle East or northern Africa lately? Surely there is no more cronyism in the White House or Justice Department. I realize not every promise can be kept, but I've never regretted a vot…
Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal
#128http://twitpic.com/bvjjvz https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/posthumously-pardo...
Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal
#129Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal
#130It is a shame that the petition to pardon Swartz has 1/10th of the signatures that the petition to fire Ortiz has. Let's advocate for a government that forgives (alleged) crimes as strongly as we advocate for a government that punishes people like Ortiz. http://twitpic.com/bvjjvz https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/posthumously-pardo...