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What Startups Need To Know About Health Insurance in 2013

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Give me a break. Republicans are anti-public health care because public care sets in motion a process that moves care decisions into federal bureaucracies, which is absolutely a problem that Canada and the UK have. Also, health care is ineluctably two things: a vital necessity and a commercial service. With a single payer, the commercial service objective is warped: patients and doctors are motivated to make care dec…

> Republicans are anti-public health care because public care sets in motion a process that moves care decisions into federal bureaucracies, which is absolutely a problem that Canada and the UK have.

I thought that it was supposed to be state bureaucracies, rather than federal? Isn't that why states are supposed to set up their exchanges? (And the feds will only step in if they don't?)

Regardless, republicans say a lot about wanting a small government that gets out of the way, but their actions speak much, much louder than words, and they are not aligned with the "small government" mantra.

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"doctors are government employees" Not all doctors in the UK are government employees working in the NHS - there is a private health care system here as well. Nobody makes you go or work for the NHS - but you do have to pay for it - I have private health insurance from my employer (I would never pay for it myself although I could afford it) and I'm quite happy to pay for the NHS. NB My son was born in an NHS hospital…

The entire private health care budget in the UK is £5Bn. The second largest purchaser of private care in the UK is... wait for it... the NHS. The NHS budget is over £100Bn. The government has overwhelming control over the health care market of the UK.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

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Everything I read about healthcare recently just reinforces the notion that we need public health care. Let's just model our system after say, Canada's, and call it done.

I don't suggest you model it after Canada's system. It's good, but it could be better. I moved to Canada from Australia, so I'll compare the two systems for you. Canada: "healthcare for all" provides basic coverage of everything you need. Works pretty well. Even homeless / out of work people are fully covered. Things like dental and chiropractor are not covered, so you pay for those. Employers give "health care" whic…

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Everything I read about healthcare recently just reinforces the notion that we need public health care. Let's just model our system after say, Canada's, and call it done.

Since the US acts as a safety valve for Canada (look at the number of Canadians getting treatment in the US) and the USA's version of public health care for a small subset of the population is a disaster (google: don't get sick after june), I would much rather we pick some solutions other than public health care. I really wish the US had started with better Health Savings Accounts, Catastrophic Insurance[1], tort ref…

Ah, the age old "tort reform" line. Haven't heard that one in a while.

Your stats about Canadians is total BS.

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Everything I read about healthcare recently just reinforces the notion that we need public health care. Let's just model our system after say, Canada's, and call it done.

I don't suggest you model it after Canada's system. It's good, but it could be better. I moved to Canada from Australia, so I'll compare the two systems for you. Canada: "healthcare for all" provides basic coverage of everything you need. Works pretty well. Even homeless / out of work people are fully covered. Things like dental and chiropractor are not covered, so you pay for those. Employers give "health care" whic…

Disclaimer: In Employee Benefits in Canada.

Canada's private health care insurance is very broad, and while you aren't necessarily incorrect about anything you are only giving part of the picture.

The "Employer sponsored" extended health coverage you are referring to is Group Insurance. It is a form of insurance that can be offered to all people aligned to an entity (employer, trust, association, etc) that removes the requirement for personal health questionnaires and medical assessments. The coverage you are offered by your employer as "mandatory" is guaranteed to you so long as you remain connected to the entity in question. There is a huge advantage to this and this is the reason it has become the de-facto standard for private insurance in Canada.

Of course the trade off is that the entity qualifying as a "group" needs to have an overwhelming percentage (often 100% if it is small) participating in the plan to mitigate the risk. Insurance breaks down if the only people buying it are high users.

That said, Private Insurance (i.e. not Group) is most certainly available and affordable in Canada. With private insurance however your rate is going to be based on your own individual heath assessment and life situation. That means that while your Extended Health rates might be lower, as a single 30 year old male your Life Insurance rates will be higher than a Female's, for instance.

Overall, for a majority of people Group Insurance has the benefit of spreading the fluctuating lifetime rates out so that they are predictable and more equitable. You aren't going to be 30 forever, after all.

People can and do waive their employer sponsored insurance all the time (with the exception of participation minimums). In addition, employers have started to introduce "flexible" group insurance that allows limited plan choices, based on fixed credits.

Not much beyond that is fixed in these group plans, so the variance in plans, costs, and overall benefit to the employee from one employer to the next can be huge. It is an effective enticement to have a good benefit plan, hence the interview question. There is also nothing at all forcing an employer to offer any extended coverage.

Personally, I think Canada is right on the money with regards to how we handle private health care services and insurance. Keep in mind that self management also presents a fair amount of improperly covered people. People are simply too ignorant of the situation. At least under an employer sponsored plan a trained professional is designing a plan that meets as many of the needs of the employer's workplace as they feel is required.

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"Since the US acts as a safety valve for Canada (look at the number of Canadians getting treatment in the US)..." While I don't doubt that there ARE Canadians who travel to the United States for medical treatment, I'd be curious as to the percentage of the population. Growing up in both countries, I can say with certainty I had less hesitations in the Canadian system. In America, I worry all the time about switching…

The old joke in Grand Forks, ND was that "Friendly Manitoba" license plates outnumber ND license plates. It was a big enough issue that in 2009, Canadian health agencies were contracting with hospitals in border cities[1]. Plus, the US has a lower cancer mortality rate than Canada. One driving factor is waiting lists in Canada are much longer than in the US (well, except at IHS). This drives Canadians to seek treatme…

Your stats are again, bullshit.

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I would recommend Kaiser coverage to anyone thinking about switching from one of those plans with big increases. Their doctors don't get extra money for performing extra procedures as is the case in a lot of plans, so there is more incentive to just do what's necessary.

Kaiser is basically the public health care system of other countries, but paid for and run by a non-profit corporation. :)f

I've heard good and bad things, though (compared to Blue Shield).

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1. Oh please, this is just a truism expressing your general political views. Government does lots of things well. Every time there's a relevant accident, the NTSB is on the spot within 24 hours. The FAA does an amazing job. I could go on with many other examples; and where government is slow to respond, it's often because the rules require government to engage in a lengthy public consultation process or make it easy…

It is especially amusing to see people suggest that the government can't competently administer health care given that Medicare customer satisfaction exceeds that of private health insurers. It's weird how easily people "forget" that the federal government is already an extremely accomplished health management administrator. But I take issue with your argument about the health market not clearing. In fact, consumers…

Don't forget the VA, too.

Our government only insures the absolute worst customers (old people, poor people, veterans), and STILL does it cheaper than the vaunted private sector. It's absolutely mind blowing how bad a job the insurance system does.

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But as a consumer of health care in the UK I'm struggling to see what the problem is - the NHS is cost effective and generally available and if you want a slightly nicer room and to jump the NHS waiting queues (which do happen) then you can go private and get any kind of treatment pretty much when you want it.

I'm not saying there is a problem with it, I'm just saying that the existence of a PH market in the UK is not a strong counter to the Republican concern about a government takeover of the market for health services.

Indeed, and that is perhaps one of the two coherent claims made by republicans against a decent public options (single payer or otherwise).

Coherent Claim 1: The existence of a public option harms the viability and structure of a private option

Coherent Claim 2: A healthy, careful individual should not be forced to subsidize an individual who does not take care of their own health - but is forced to by a public option.

Both claims are a matter of opinion; It is my opinion that it is no different than police, school or war. (1: The existence of police harms private security; the existence of public schools harms private schools; the existence of the US army harms private mercenaries. 2: I should not be forced to pay for protecting someone who does not make an effort to protect themselves; I shouldn't be forced to subsidize teaching to anyone; I shouldn't pay for a war I didn't ask for).

I'm not sure why health care, which is sometimes (literally) a matter of life and death, and about which one has much less control than anything else, would not get a public option when schools do. And I have yet to find a republican who was coherent about why, if public healthcare is a problem, should we not also abolish police departments and public schools. But I guess one might exist.

The bigger problem with the republican standpoint, is that the coherent arguments aren't even made all that often; instead they tend to spread FUD with arguments that are easy to refute if you just care to look at examples - see, e.g. : http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4888507

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I don't suggest you model it after Canada's system. It's good, but it could be better. I moved to Canada from Australia, so I'll compare the two systems for you. Canada: "healthcare for all" provides basic coverage of everything you need. Works pretty well. Even homeless / out of work people are fully covered. Things like dental and chiropractor are not covered, so you pay for those. Employers give "health care" whic…

Does anything legally tie your optional health insurance to your employment in Canada and legally prohibit Australian employers from providing private health insurance, or is that simply the way the two markets have developed?

> Does anything legally tie your optional health insurance to your employment in Canada

No. Supplementary insurance can be a perk of employment just like actual health insurance can be a perk of employment in the US, but you can get supplementary without it.

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