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PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Hobby groups projects like this are less fun for a lot of people who used to enjoy interacting with smart people. It's definitely become a game of just spam claude for answers with zero understanding or care for how anything actually works. That's fine to get things done and fine for a lot of side projects, but it definitely ruins the joy that people have in understanding systems and working with intellectuals.

completely different world, but i've seen this happen in music spaces as well. the idea of gatekeeping is often seen as elitist or exclusionary (fairly enough in many cases) but i think this can be an exaggerated description of a culture that necessarily requires a standard of... let's say, desire to engage with material on a sufficiently deep level. many things can be for anybody, but they are not for everybody. in…

While you might have access to the subculture, there is no obligation for anyone else to respond, collaborate or engage with random you. This is a common mistaken understanding about open-source software projects where users often believe they have "rights" to compel or coerce volunteer developers to listen or reply to them. Developers collaborating together isn't a conspiracy, it's just preferences getting played out. No, I don't want to collaborate with someone that I don't like.... duh?

It gets bad when the subculture inhabitants get confused and adopt the social norms of the passer bys instead of remembering the importance of well-kept gardens. And then they start to introduce "policy".. which is just a backdoor for attackers to destroy your well-kept garden by arguing policy (as if that was what the subculture was about!).

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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> …been the norm for months… You know, it’s petty, but I think one of the things I hate the most about AI is that it surpassed front end JavaScript frameworks in terms of changing what the standard is every few years. What’s the point of learning anything if it becomes obsolete faster than the seasons change?

Just so you know, the frontend framework wars started and ended pretty quickly in the latter half of the 2010s. It was the downstream effect of the browser wars settling down and W3C making big moves on getting vendors to finally implement standards that were sorely needed. It had nothing to do with web dev culture.

> Just so you know, the frontend framework wars started and ended pretty quickly in the latter half of the 2010s.

Funny thing on HN. I saw people actively complaining about “JavaScript framework of the week” posts well into the early 2020s… when they were no longer really a thing.

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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> Hobby groups projects like this are less fun for a lot of people who used to enjoy interacting with smart people. Same thing did happen to many work places. People at all levels proxy questions through LLMs and don't even bother to read/trim/edit the response. Funny, how suddenly a tight, 1-2 sentence response on point is a sign of skill.

> Funny, how suddenly a tight, 1-2 sentence response on point is a sign of skill. Wasn't it always?

"As brevity is the soul of wit, I shall be brief. [then bloviates on and on.]" ~Polonius

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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> Hobby groups projects like this are less fun for a lot of people who used to enjoy interacting with smart people. Same thing did happen to many work places. People at all levels proxy questions through LLMs and don't even bother to read/trim/edit the response. Funny, how suddenly a tight, 1-2 sentence response on point is a sign of skill.

> Funny, how suddenly a tight, 1-2 sentence response on point is a sign of skill. Wasn't it always?

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Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

#125

Misleading title, there's another major reason: it's an embargo agreement violation that jeopardizes Linux support on PS5. https://x.com/theflow0/status/2099987019954831744

> The scene used to be a group of highly talented researchers, but now it is just a bunch of noobs using LLMs and writing hacks they don't even understand. Slop kiddies found the only hypervisor bug left, which I had also found a while ago, and decided to report to Sony. I don’t know if he’s mad AI scooped a bug? Or that LLM slop kiddies don’t pay attention to that something is already known?

Reading all of the quotes it seems he's more annoyed that they disclosed the bug to Sony to collect the bounty, and that they're using AI as an afterthought

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

#126

Misleading title, there's another major reason: it's an embargo agreement violation that jeopardizes Linux support on PS5. https://x.com/theflow0/status/2099987019954831744

For those without X accounts (now that Nitter an XCancel are down): https://archive.ph/GQLvx

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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now imagine how many other devs and maintainers are contemplating this but just haven't been pushed to their personal breaking point yet. or take note of how many, when asked about the spam problem, just nervously go "yeah it's kinda rough haha...". or how many will vent about it on their twitter-like of choice with increasing frequency. remember hacktoberfest 2020? that's just all public-facing source 365 days a yea…

I would guess we'll start seeing more open source projects with much tighter restrictions on who can participate. Closed contributions and heavily automated (or even closed) issue tracking is probably already happening and will spread faster. I entirely sympathize with these maintainers too. I've had 2 instances where an LLM has surfaced a bug and I just couldn't get myself to open a PR and dump more work onto these…

> Seeing popular projects (like hermes) having 5k issues and 5k pull requests is madness.

It's actually got nearly 30k open pull requests!

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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> It had nothing to do with web dev culture. It may not have been started because of web dev culture, but it definitely influenced web dev culture.

Are you a web developer?

I was before the market crunched.

What's the reason for the credential check?

Re: PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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Makes you wonder if it really was "noobs" and "slop kiddies" that found it.

No, it doesn't. Nobody would go do this just to report it to Sony for a few pennies. That is a non-existent motivation for people in the know, who understand the opportunity cost.

Unless they didn't want to actually make money from anything nefarious, and the bounty was more than just "a few pennies"
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