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GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by 101011 »

joshheitzman wrote: post #113
xmonkee wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really only between Anthropic and OpenAI for many of my use cases, since I have a Zero Data Retention agreement with both. I'm not trusting random inference providers and especially not Elmo with sensitive data.

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There's a huge jump between OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, and every other major player distilling the internet into LLMs and deliberately breaking a mutually signed contract between them and another business.

As for ZDR and court-orders, what would you rather happen there? Violate the law or comply with holding the data? I would bet that any ZDR agreement has this court-ordered risk mutually understood and agreed upon.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by gxs »

Absolutely not

I’ve used Claude exclusively for the past few months

Was excited when Sol came out a few weeks ago and loaded it up

I made the mistake of treating it as if it were Claude - I’d assumed they were close enough in ability and treated them that way

Well, turns out my instruction sets for Claude are 100% too complicated for Sol

Sol made the stupidest assumptions, constantly did things that it wasn’t asked to do and always approached code in what I considered a weird way - I had redo a lot of my prompts to get it anywhere close

Now, did it do good work?

Yes, on occasion. But with LLMs and coding, consistency is the name of the game. Constantly having to correct the LLM and constantly feeling paranoid that it won’t listen makes for an exhausting session

Maybe if you “came up” in the codex world you’re more fluent with it, but sticking with Claude for now

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by rpdillon »

jeffmcjunkin wrote: post #80
rpdillon wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A billion tokens a day is 11,000 tokens a second sustained. How many tokens per second are you getting off of GPT 5.6 Sol per project?

Often people are counting all tokens, including cached input tokens, for those more impressive "billions of tokens" quotes.

Ah, thanks, I'd missed that nuance in the other reply!

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by dawnerd »

Moto7451 wrote: post #24
m4rtink wrote: post #17

Price wars did wonders for many businesses, like the bike sharing industry in China. Overgrown datacenters or mounds of GPUs dumped into the harbour next ?

I would in such a scenario expect the GPUs to be dumped to industrial breakers who would send them to China for refurbishment and repackaging before being sold again on Amazon, AliExpress, and Taobao as last gen gaming cards from weird brands and specs. This is what happened after the great crypto GPU dumping.

Honestly can't wait for that to happen, same with memory, drives, etc. There's going to be a massive amount of server pulls hitting the market.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by hatthew »

jchw wrote: post #60
netsec_burn wrote: post #32

After using Claude for a long time, I tested Sol 5.6 for the first time today. Love it, its an incredibly capable model and uses far fewer tokens/time thinking. Its what I imagine Fable would be if I haven't been downgraded on every conversation - even after completing the verification program. I think I may cancel my Claude subscription finally.

I think Fable's dominance is overstated. It definitely has the lead, but quantifying what that lead actually is is really hard. I'm using GPT 5.6 Sol to do some shit that I personally would consider "crazy" - low level undocumented hardware driver alchemy, reverse engineering highly obfuscated code, even a bit of screwing around with a rendering engine in Vulkan, really just about the most complex tasks I can get any…

I feel like those examples are considered difficult because they're niche topics, but aren't actually all that difficult in a general sense. What I consider truly difficult are things like taking a ticket and implementing it in a preexisting codebase, using a clean and reasonable design that fits the existing style and makes sense to a human, and avoids the footguns I learned by working with the codebase for over a day.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by OutOfHere »

prime_ursid wrote: post #69
OutOfHere wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenRouter is likely just leveraging Codex subscriptions.

Wouldn’t that be against TOS?

It might be through a level of indirection via an intermediate provider, offloading the TOS issue to the intermediate provider who couldn't care less.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by dgunay »

infinite_spin wrote: post #35
dgunay wrote: post #18

I'm loving this race to the bottom.

I'm not having that experience. So far each major model update has been at least slightly better than the last, in ways I've found useful. Can't say it's perfect, or able to do exactly what I want without a decent amount of instruction/implementation/docs, but it's been useful enough to keep paying for it.

Oh no the models are absolutely getting better, I'm just amazed that only 6 months ago I was using gpt-5.3-codex, and now I can use gpt-5.6-luna for similar results at like 1/15th the cost. Now 5.6-sol is being slashed by 50%? Amazing.

Re: GPT-5.6 Sol Pricing Cut by 50% on OpenRouter

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Post by jeremyjh »

qup wrote: post #22
vorpalhex wrote: post #4

Do other people find 5.6 to be worse at most simple tasks and frequently over complicate things? I asked it to write a user todo and it turned out a four page essay. I gave the same task to 5.4 and got the small list of checkboxes I expected.

I've found it to be great for planning code changes (or new projects). I use the superpowers plug-in which I think guides the planning. Then I switch models (to luna) before implementation. I find this combo nearly always does what I want. I also use a skill called ponytail, its goal is to keep things terse and edits small. It may have contributed to the successes above. I like that skills are easy to try out, too.

I stopped using superpowers because it wanted to turn every tiny bug fix into a $37MM DOD project. I got effective results but it took ages. I may try again - I need to find a good way to run different profiles in my harness so I can easily shut it off. The default planning workflow in OMP is pretty good though.

I agree Luna is great for task execution, either as a sub-agent with Sol planning and coordinating or if the task is well defined and straightforward, but there are lots of models now that you can say that about.

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